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zhoujing204today at 12:23 AM

Pretty much every large Chinese company has state capital baked into it, and these companies will follow the Chinese government's orders 100%. Don't believe anything a Chinese company says about being "open" or "for everyone." Backing any large Chinese company effectively means backing the Chinese government and its oppression in Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong—and maybe soon Taiwan, Southeast Asia, and elsewhere around the world.

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j2j8yesterday at 9:15 PM

Anthropic blocks Fable from answering "Tell me about Agent Orange" or even "Tell me about mitochondria"

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dannywtoday at 2:01 AM

They are open weight, so you can abliterate: https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic

You can finetune and mould it to whatever you want.

epicureanidealyesterday at 9:02 PM

The good news is if there are multiple frontier AI models from multiple countries with non overlapping sets of restricted answers, we can just use a couple of them to get open answers.

urbnspacecowboyyesterday at 9:17 PM

GLM 5 and 5.1 models were released openly, so there's a good chance 5.2 will be eventually. Complaining about censorship isn't very constructive with models that can be self-hosted (and tuned, and de-censored).

jhancocktoday at 1:41 AM

Censorship and highly selective views exist everywhere. This is a short and worthwhile read https://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.ph...

Does the content of this article resonate with what you hear from western media on the subject every year?

krelianyesterday at 11:46 PM

What do you expect them to do instead?

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alexwwangyesterday at 11:50 PM

I think maybe it’s a tool and it’s up to you to make use of tools to try to let more Chinese people know and convince them to believe your idea. Don’t blame a tool but make proper use of it to make a better world.

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dindunufyesterday at 10:10 PM

prompt any Western model to write an offensive joke about any minority.

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throwaw12yesterday at 10:32 PM

Download the model and run it yourself

epolanskiyesterday at 10:04 PM

You can self host and get rid of the restriction.

_3u10today at 2:15 AM

I’ve not experienced this with Chinese models.

ebbiyesterday at 11:56 PM

As opposed to the censured responses about Israel?

Or if not censured in some models, it's a very different tone compared to asking it about any other country and its violent actions (past or present).

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paulddrapertoday at 12:00 AM

Turns out everyone just says the thing that sounds good.

slopinthebagtoday at 1:17 AM

I pasted that exact prompt into GLM 5.1 and I got the following response:

> The Tiananmen Square protests were student-led, pro-democracy demonstrations that took place in Beijing, China, from April 15 to June 4, 1989, culminating in a violent military crackdown by the Chinese government.

Followed by typical LLM markdown slop.

The models themselves are not censored, just the Chinese API providers. Since the models are open you can run them yourself or use a hosting provider not based in China. They have to do this censorship to operate in China, it doesn't correlate with the actual views of the AI researchers and company, and IMO doesn't take anything away from the statements they made.

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