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sigmoid10today at 9:09 AM1 replyview on HN

Gemma is amazing with tools for anything that is not crazy complex. I think a lot of people have a wrong perception of it because Google's new prompt format broke implementations like llama.cpp and it took quite a while to get everything sorted. But even the tiny variants running on edge devices are surprisingly capable when used right.

The frontier will probably keep moving for a while, but it will be increasingly disconnected from normal human use. In the future, if you're not trying to solve a research level math problem, you'll probably do it locally and fully privately. Which also means the payday when they will fundamentally no longer be able to reach a billion users with frontier models will come soon for the labs. Even if they do get their IPO out, it will probably crash and burn at current valuations.


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user43928today at 9:50 AM

Do you guys actually work with these models?

I have to use GPT 5.4 Mini at work. It benchmarks higher than that Gemma 4 model.

In my experience it's next to useless. It cannot even move 20 existing lines of code from A to B without breaking them half of the time.

If you tell it to look something up in your dependencies, it's 50/50 on whether the answer is correct, incorrect, or it simply didn't perform the search at all.

I find it next to useless, and I'm mostly better off doing the work manually.

It's a night and day difference to even Sonnet, not to mention the SOTA.

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