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coffinbirthtoday at 4:35 AM13 repliesview on HN

> Open models are served via various means, some by the companies that released them and some by third parties like OpenRouter. Unfortunately, both of these routes are dodgier in terms of privacy and data sharing, and I would not feel the same comfort sending API calls containing client or confidential data to them.

That's why I'm using eurouter.ai with the following routing rule for all my requests:

  {
    "model": "glm-5.2",
    "models": [
      "deepseek-v4-pro",
      "deepseek-v4-flash"
    ],
    "provider": {
      "allow_fallbacks": true,
      "data_collection": "deny",
      "data_residency": "EU",
      "max_retention_days": 0,
      "eu_owned": true
    }
  }
Sure, it's quite expensive, but at least on a legal side data privacy is ensured. I trust them more than e.g. Anthropic, OpenAI or OpenRouter.

Personally, I find it morally unacceptable to use U.S. AI tools, because I do not want to support them financially and thus support the crimes they are involved in[1].

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48512339


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himata4113today at 7:11 AM

The part that gets me about anthropic red lines is "of Americans", okay so the rest of the civilized world is up for grabs then? It's okay to destabalize allies with sabotaged tests (in machine learning) and data exfiltration outside America?

What gets me the most is that they claim that the model should follow the https://www.anthropic.com/constitution and they claim that it's embedded into the model. However, system prompts in claude code and cowork re-iterate all of these points and if they're embedded you shouldn't need to do that. Now, if you ask the API version of claude to be a hitler supporter with enough prompt engineering it will become one which directly contradicts what they claim to do, opus 4.7 specifically will be happy to create anti-(insert minority group) propaganda although I haven't had the same success with 4.8 thus far, but I also haven't been motivated enough to push it in that direction yet since I've been more interested in exploting the cyber capabilities of the model.

My conclusion from the very start is that Anthropic's strategy are pure optics and considering the fact that there was an outpoor of support for the company I think it has been very successful.

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johndoughtoday at 6:25 AM

I had a look at eurouter.ai and it seems like an extremely bad offer.

- The prices are ridiculous (15 % markup for free account).

- They have a rate limit of 1000 requests per month, unless you pay 40€ per month for ... what exactly is their value proposition?

- They have a single provider (TensorX) for DeepSeek-V4-Pro, with a cache read cost that is over 100 times higher than DeepSeek ($0.44 vs $0.003625). Notably, I had to look at the TensorX website for that information, since I could not find any information about cached token cost on eurorouter.ai.

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KronisLVtoday at 10:57 AM

Actually got curious about other alternatives to OpenRouter and looked into it a bit.

EURouter (Amsterdam): https://www.eurouter.ai/pricing

Eden AI (France): https://www.edenai.co/pricing

nexos.ai (Lithuania): https://nexos.ai/pricing/

Requesty (Germany): https://www.requesty.ai/pricing

Cortecs (Austria): https://cortecs.ai/pricing

Nordference (Estonia): https://nordference.ai/pricing

Guess those are really popping up as mushrooms, eh? Not an endorsement of any of those on my part cause I haven't personally used them, but seems like there are at least options for those who need them.

root-parenttoday at 9:38 AM

Crimes does not even starts to describe it:

"AI-assisted targeting in the Gaza Strip" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_G...

"Palantir allegedly enables Israel's AI targeting in Gaza, raising concerns over war crimes" - https://www.business-humanrights.org/de/neuste-meldungen/pal...

"What The Wounds Are Telling Us" - https://www.volkskrant.nl/kijkverder/v/2025/gunshot-palestin...

bandramitoday at 5:44 AM

If data security is an actual concern I don't think there's a solution other than biting the bullet and self-hosting.

fg137today at 11:23 AM

If your only concern is data residency, data privacy and sharing, why not just use bedrock with the processing region locked to eu-west-2? For sure, it's not an European company serving the LLM, but it satisfies your requirements otherwise and is trusted by tons of companies worldwide.

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trollbridgetoday at 10:28 AM

The great part about open models is that you can do this.

Do you have a sound reason to need EU data locality? You can.

Do you want the confidence (and are willing to accept the expense) of only running models on local hardware you control? You can.

Do you want the cheapest possible option - choosing a Chinese, for example, provider, or perhaps a provider offering it for free where you agree they can use your prompts? You can.

Do you need to comply with some kind of regulation like GDPR or rules for contracting with the U.S. federal government? No problem. (Although I'm still waiting for DeepSeek V4 to show up on Amazon BedRock so it can be used from GovCloud...)

Do you have moral objections and want to actually live by them? You can.

WhyNotHugotoday at 2:13 PM

You only need to worry about GDPR and the hoster being in the EU if you're giving the model actual access to production data — which you shouldn't anyway. Use the model to write code that processes or analyses the data, so that process can easily be reproduced with deterministic results.

codedokodetoday at 9:30 AM

Not only it requires a minimum payment of 39 euro, it doesn't accept cryptocurrency althogh that can be worked around by buying a prepaid virtual card for crypto.

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ttoinoutoday at 6:06 AM

You dont care about which exact provider it is using behind the hood ?

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vonneumannstantoday at 2:07 PM

Lol what performative shite. Chinese astroturfing 101. You're either mentally ill or a shill.

simianwordstoday at 5:36 AM

GDPR compliant llm was a joke a few months back but here we are

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throwaway27448today at 5:36 AM

Why use EU specifically? I get not trusting the US, of course, but surely the EU isn't far behind in its desire to spy on its own citizens. Do you not live there?

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