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ramon156yesterday at 4:01 PM10 repliesview on HN

Do you live near a datacenter? Property value goes down, constant humming.. the way we heat up the earth right now, i don't think you have to worry about heating


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annzabelletoday at 2:04 AM

I grew up in Northern Virginia, (of AWS US-East-1, MAE-East, and Equinix fame), where there are more data centers than anywhere else in the world, and I never heard organized opposition to them until the last couple of years. They were mainly viewed as a way for Loudoun County to build their industrial tax base without the downsides of having industrial workers, and allowed them to consistently lower property taxes while having excellent schools. Data centers are unsightly and use electricity and water, but so does literally any kind of industrial facility. They are also pretty quiet, if you exclude the ones using on site gas turbines for electricity.

Property values have consistently gone up in that region for decades, and are up to $6 million an acre if there's enough contiguous land to put another data center on.

Many of the people complaining about datacenters would also complain about literally any kind of development.

amlutoyesterday at 6:17 PM

I’ve been to datacenters, but not the huuuge ones people seem to talk about in the context of AI. They are noisy inside (due to air cooling, which is largely avoided by the tech in the OP), but they’re entirely unremarkable outside compared to any other commercial or industrial building. Computers are not inherently loud, nor is power conversion.

Power plants are all over, even in populated areas. They’re not so bad either (except perhaps coal).

There is no fundamental reason that datacenters need to be especially unpleasant to their neighbors.

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arjieyesterday at 11:40 PM

Do you? I live at 4th and Brannan and there was one just off 3rd and Brannan in San Francisco. It was shut down when hosting.com sold it off but I didn't notice it while walking by then and I don't notice it while walking by now.

My GPUs at Hurricane Electric in Fremont are also completely unnoticeable outside the building. Inside, when I'm working at the cabinets it's obviously deafening. Outside you wouldn't even know. Realistically, the predominant sounds at my home are from the traffic on the Bay Bridge so it's nice when there's congestion because it's quiet.

Honestly, I wish there were more urban datacenters. It's getting quite annoying having to make a 1 hr trek to Fremont every time I want to rack a new server.

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xatttyesterday at 5:14 PM

Noise is a design choice and could likely be legislated away. Reject heat is different than heating from greenhouse gas effects that are “heating the planet”.

No one bats an eye when an air conditioner runs.

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rokkamokkayesterday at 4:16 PM

Couldn't imagine living with the ~55dBA noise literally all the time

skybrianyesterday at 5:05 PM

It sounds like with this liquid cooling, they won’t need the fans?

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SamPatttoday at 1:08 AM

>the way we heat up the earth right now, i don't think you have to worry about heating

Nearly 10x more people die from the cold than from the heat.

"...9.43% of global deaths were attributable to non-optimal temperatures, with 8.52% from cold and 0.91% from heat."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5...

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abc42yesterday at 6:53 PM

Coldest month average temperature where I live is around -7C, with peaks of -35C. Climate change is not going to increase that average, more like decrease. Typically, of course, electricity price is the highest during that month too.

I think we are going to need heating.

joe_mambayesterday at 9:47 PM

>Do you live near a datacenter? Property value goes down, constant humming

I don't live next to one but I'd take constant humming over the constant stop/go traffic noise, honking, squeaky brakes, slamming doors and revving engines I now have on my western side of the apartment, thanks to the unemployment office the city opened on my street not too long ago.

So how come constant humming is somehow an illegal nuisance, but we've been expected to put up with the much more annoying urban traffic noise for decades just fine?

My parents apartment have constant humming anyway thanks to the HVAC system on the roof of the nearby supermarket and white/brown noise is far more tolerable and easy to tune out than traffic noises.

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tucnakyesterday at 6:19 PM

> the way we heat up the earth right now, i don't think you have to worry about heating

So what, winters would be no more? Snow will disappear, no more ice-men and christmas trees, and subzero conditions in general, too?

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