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fny • today at 1:15 PM • 3 replies • view on HN

Distillation may not be an attack, but it is a ToS violation and could be seen as IP theft.

Any reasonable company would be pissed if a competitor, especially at Ali Baba's size, leveraged that company's R&D to compete. It is in this sense, a corporate attack.

If you want to roll your eyes at distillation concerns, you might need to excuse Anthropic for originally using pirated material to train their models.

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ndriscoll • today at 7:04 PM

What IP? It seems pretty obvious to me that it's not:

  * trademarks (not using the mark)
  * patents (what patent?)
  * copyright (the code and models are all different, and machine outputs lack creativity and are not copyrightable) 
  * trade secrets (any member of the public has the same access to input/outputs. They're not accessing any secret)
So what is "IP" here?
freejazz • today at 7:07 PM

> you might need to excuse Anthropic for originally using pirated material to train their models

You have it backwards

bad_haircut72 • today at 1:27 PM

More the opposite - companies who stole IP for their own benefit have no leg to stand on when others do it back. Personally I couldnt care less if Chinese labs rip off Anthropic. Its what America would do if they wanted to, for whatever reason (they probably do it right back secretly anyway).