alt Hacker NewsThey raised money on the basis of replacing labor by cheaper AI. Not on the basis of being more safe then nebulous "others". They are not "safe" and do nothing to make world safer or better.
> Founding a company on the basis you don't think the others are safe enough, raising capital on that basis, developing methods to improve AI safety, publishing literature about your methods, making open calls for legislation for safety standards, etc.?
These are marketing claims. Or self-delusion claims.
> Thinking that all the doom-talk from OpenAI and Anthropic is just a PR technique even though they maintained this position continuously starting before they had any money or offices i
Continuing to maintain self-aggrandizing position that makes investors give you money is not proof that you are genuine.
But, if they are genuine, then maybe they should stop trying to make that doom happen as fast as possible. I just dont see how "they are really trying to cause maximal harm to maximum amount of people" is a defense.
> They raised money on the basis of replacing labor by cheaper AI. Not on the basis of being more safe then nebulous "others". They are not "safe" and do nothing to make world safer or better.
Original founding says otherwise, for both OpenAI (famously) and Anthropic with this in a copy of their certificate of incorporation I found:
- Jan 2021: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f7mYsm4px4pPdIzYo64wGePVNEH...Immediate thing they did? Spend one year training a model, then a second year safety-testing it.
> These are marketing claims. Or self-delusion claims.
It's published reproducible work. Early-stage stuff you could get away with calling "self-delusion", that doesn't fly when papers get published, sometimes on topics that can be described as "AI do X, which is bad, can we make them not?" e.g https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.13548, https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.10162, https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.10965, https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.18397 from Anthropic and https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.16339 from OpenAI.
> Continuing to maintain self-aggrandizing position that makes investors give you money is not proof that you are genuine.
Conspiracies and growing businesses are incompatible with not getting caught.
A conspiracy of 2 is easy to hide. How big did Facebook get before we saw their dirty laundry?
> I just dont see how "they are really trying to cause maximal harm to maximum amount of people" is a defense.
With that in quotations, you seem to be arguing backwards from what you think they're doing.
Their actual arguments are much the same as open source software: with enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.
This is obviously true. It may not be sufficient, there's plenty of other doomers who say it isn't sufficient, but it is true.
Easy way to demonstrate, is the difference with the armchair philosophising before LLMs vs. what we see now they exist:
We had decades of people claiming the "obvious" way to keep superhuman intelligence safe is to keep it in a box, keep it offline. Every one of those discussions I've been in, the person saying this refused to believe that it was possible for an AI to convince humans to let it out of the box.
Real life? Blake Lemoine violates his NDA and hires a lawyer on behalf of an LLM, after the LLM convinced him with arguments that a lot of other people (justifiably) mocked him for believing. LaMDA was not superhuman, and it still convinced him.
Did this immediately stop people saying we can keep AI in a box and just not let it out? Nope, kept hearing that for another year or two. That's how much experience humanity collectively needed to internalise just that one part of "AI is more dangerous than you think it is".