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seizethecheeseyesterday at 7:44 PM10 repliesview on HN

I'm somewhat surprised that this is not open source (from what I can tell). Compare to Mimo Code https://github.com/XiaomiMiMo/MiMo-Code (which is a CLI, while this is a desktop app).


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SwellJoeyesterday at 8:08 PM

I don't even know what I would do with a desktop app. I'm running these things in headless VMs, so I can run them with `--dangerously-skip-permissions` or whatever. I don't trust them, even without that flag, on my desktop/laptop.

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dizhnyesterday at 7:55 PM

It's only a cli because they yanked out the opencode desktop code. (As well as the opencode go/zen model provider)

Edit: my theory is they wanted to mimic being the primary provider in a quick way with a lot of string replace. Though they could have added opencode back as a regular provider.

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ccoyesterday at 9:45 PM

You're surprised? I think harnesses are almost as important as the underlying model. Folks have been able to improve benchmark results by nearly 2x based on harness alone.

Harnesses are quickly becoming critical components of the "model" itself imo. Not shocking to me at all that a company that spots a revenue opportunity is keeping its harness closed source.

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LaurensBERyesterday at 8:18 PM

They might be sending some user requests to Anthropic to gather trading data for their own models. If they do so, perhaps they need to add some tracer to request that they prefer to hide.

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saghmyesterday at 8:38 PM

Given that there's such severe concern being expressed by Anthropic about Claude being distilled, and the idea that the harness is part of the the moat, it doesn't seem super surprising that the other side of that would try to also make it harder for them to tell how well they're doing and what their approach is.

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maxlohyesterday at 8:34 PM

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy.

It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed.

Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to cooperate with state intelligence and counter-espionage efforts [0]. If you have this installed on a corporate workstation, and your company is large enough, the possibility of them spying on you is not just a risk—it's almost a certainty.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_t...

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_pdp_yesterday at 10:08 PM

I am not surprised it is not open source. These harnesses are hard to build - they are not just wrappers - and often they contain business logic that is not suitable for public distribution for all kinds of reasons.

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addozhangtoday at 4:23 AM

I'd prefer a CLI over a desktop. But then why don't I just use OpenCode?

anderberyesterday at 11:38 PM

That looks to be a copy of OpenCode

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