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cube00yesterday at 9:00 PM4 repliesview on HN

It's impressive all these companies are getting away with "base usage allowance included" [1] or "standard limits" [2], layering the higher plans as a multiplier of that "base" but never disclosing what it is.

I guess the base is whatever the profit margin needs to be this month.

[1]: https://zcode.z.ai/en#:~:text=Base%20usage%20allowance%20inc...

[2]: https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/16275805?hl=en#:~:t...


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ranyumeyesterday at 10:49 PM

When running the app, it actually tells you what the base usages are, but the name of the plans are different from the page. It reads:

Start plan: 5 Million tokens a day (GLM-5.2 3M, GLM-5 Turbo 2M)

For individuals: (+150% quota) $18.00USD+ For individual developers with a dedicated Coding Plan quota.

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reissbakertoday at 2:02 AM

Agreed this sucks. We publish ours here and try to be as transparent as possible: https://synthetic.new/rate-limits

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nullbiotoday at 3:36 AM

Yeah, this is why I like the ACCC in Australia. They wouldn't allow this sort of thing to fly if this was an Australian company.

nucleativeyesterday at 10:25 PM

A strategy that can backfire. An unpredictable tool is worse than a bad tool.