alt Hacker News> very rigid attitude towards the male place in society (alphas etc)
Unfortunately this has been embraced by many feminists as well - consider how "incel" is now used as a general insult from such folks, implying that "getting laid" is essential to being a man. This is a huge reversal from the attitude in the early 2000s where it was seen as important to move beyond such traditional masculine expectations and that associating sexual success with worth was a part of "toxic masculinity". The older I get the more I think "horseshoe theory"[1] is directionally, if not literally, correct.
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I want to be excruciatingly clear: Andrew Tate is a sex trafficker that tells millions of impressionable boys they are owed sex and that women should not be permitted to vote or hold positions of influence, and that they cannot have platonic relationships with women.
The word incel, on the other hand, describes men who are disgustingly behaved and as a result are unable to have romantic relationships.
These are not, in any way, the same thing. This is NOT an example of horseshoe theory.
Incel is a subculture.[1]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel