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zthrowawaytoday at 2:58 PM11 repliesview on HN

The thing about back then that was so amazing is the amount of personalization you had with your desktop environment. Windows 95/98 had different skins/themes you could use. Winamp and many other apps allowed skins. You used to be able to make your computing experience your own. We've lost that and really need to get it back. There's the ability to do this with Linux DE's of course, but that's not enough.


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cosmic_cheesetoday at 3:30 PM

On the Mac side of the fence, Kaleidoscope schemes were even more capable in terms of deep desktop theming, giving the artist full control of just about everything (window chrome, controls, icons, fonts, desktop pattern/picture). Even better, they didn’t require any installation step: double-clicking a scheme file was all that was needed to radically transform your desktop. Nothing matches its capability and ease of use even today.

Artists did some wild stuff with it. A few fun examples:

https://macthemes.garden/themes/c7005c70d044-Wrecked-Angles/

https://macthemes.garden/themes/2852d54a73a3-Windows-98/

https://macthemes.garden/themes/0219829f8a23-HolySmoke/

https://macthemes.garden/themes/8405ec7f05e4-MacPlaza/

https://macthemes.garden/themes/92b39d18db52-MammaMia/

https://macthemes.garden/themes/9a95c2efce50-Scanline/

https://macthemes.garden/themes/64bd1a86e9e6-Onyx/

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cyril_st_johntoday at 3:20 PM

One of the great things about Winamp 2 skins in particular is how simple the format is - basically just a bunch of BMPs in a zip file. Pretty much anyone could make one. You didn't need any special software or code knowledge to inspect an existing skin and see how the pieces fit together. You could make one in MSPaint if that's all you had, as I did for my first couple skins.

(There were also a few INI-style config files, mainly to define colors of dynamic things like text. For most skins you would just need to copy the defaults and maybe change a few color hex codes.)

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ktosobcytoday at 3:07 PM

I like the customization of the OS but I hate when the app developers are feeling creative and can't fit into (my OS of choice) Look&Feel :/

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eitallytoday at 3:36 PM

This was also true on the comms apps sides. Back in the days of ICQ & Jabber, there was a huge ecosystem of chat apps, many of which (like my favorite, Miranda IM -- which has been revived for Windows as Miranda NG: https://miranda-ng.org/about/) were also fully customizable.

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DaanDLtoday at 3:21 PM

It was really wild, out of the box you would get: sound themes, color themes, icon themes, startup sounds, wallpaper themes, different loading animations, am I forgetting something? :-D

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altmanaltmantoday at 3:04 PM

I wrote a blog on this focusing on the frutiger aero style and how/why we moved from making the desktop look like a real/character-filled space to the whole "best ui is no ui" and flat design thinking. Fortunately, it seems like style is coming back in... style.

The blog post: https://decodingvibes.com/blog/genz-and-frutiger-aero/

atonsetoday at 3:26 PM

Omarchy seems to be doing a really good job with just that. But like you said, Linux.

panzitoday at 4:35 PM

Even Linux DEs have it less now than they used to, but there are renewed efforts to bring a better universal theming engine to KDE at least.

It's more difficult now than it was back then for KDE I guess, because with Qt Widgets, QML, and Plasma you basically have three times as much to support in a theme/theming engine. And then back in the day better KDE themes also provided themes for Gtk, so that Gtk apps integrated nicely. How many concurrent Gtk versions are now used that you would all have to support? And sometimes (especially non-Qt programs) take some colors from the theme, but not others, breaking everything when you want to customize your theme (you get e.g. black text on black background). So I appreciate the renewed effort, but I'm not holding my breath.

zen928today at 4:56 PM

I think its commonly cited how we "used to have so much customization" and now we dont, and i see that more as an issue with motivation over missing proper functionality. Android phones and iphones to an extent are extremely customizable in almost every facet of how you use the phone, and yet outside of social influencers selling an aesthetic no one really cares to take the time to customize. Even when entire theming libraries are available to swap fonts icons colors window styles etc at a tap, even navigating and selecting a pre-made is out of the minds of most people. Despite the availability, there will still be calls to "how phones used to have personality and style" and refer to old hello kitty flip phone designs, despite being able to accomplish everything it does on a modern device without needing to buy a specific piece of hardware to achieve it.

Why? Because I dont think most people ever actually cared about it. It became a "cool thing" to customize your MySpace or winamp, not something actually motivated by individual user behavior. The people calling for more customization options ignore the plethora of options available because what theyre wanting is a cultural shift, but everyone's attention is so divided that it feels like a waste of time to devote to something that doesnt bother you. You "miss" what you had despite never doing any work to understand it.

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jimt1234today at 4:37 PM

Maybe it's me, but I've kinda lost the desire to personalize my OS/apps. It's probably because I'm older and lazier now, and I have other things to do now. But also, I feel like it's not as fun to tinker with this stuff anymore. Everything is so connected now, I feel like all my OS/apps are watching me - like, if I added a Buffy bitmap to the background, I'm gonna get some sort of notification: "Buffy the Vampire Slayer is owned by The Walt Disney Company. You are violating the terms of service of your app. Blah blah blah." I'm probably just old and paranoid, but honestly, it just doesn't feel the same these days.

The Museum is great, though! Thanks!

ErroneousBoshtoday at 4:19 PM

> You used to be able to make your computing experience your own. We've lost that and really need to get it back.

All of these Winamp skins work perfectly well in Audacious.

Go on. Do it. It's not like you were doing anything else. Get it installed.