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Nevermarktoday at 5:12 PM0 repliesview on HN

A great number of people here are engaged in civilized debates about whether parenting needs age verification.

That might seem to be the issue, but it is a red herring.

Powerful people are ramming age verification through in a way that will surveil you and give government the ability to not just attest for your age, but surveil what sites you use, and revert their attestation, for anyone, on any site, for whatever reason.

Not just porn sites but any site they convince to use their age verification scheme.

Even Wikipedia is having to fight this with the help of the EFF to not force all its users to submit to this.

Wake up. We all need to wake up.

The purpose of an anonymizing open source alternative is to head off dystopia. Nuanced opinions about parenting are not a defense strategy. Not against a closed internet permissioning system run by governments. Implemented by people who are using parenting as a cover.

Your parenting opinions won’t help you log onto increasing numbers of sites that block you without a government supplied key.

Wake up.

We must not let governments use this issue to lock down the internet. But that is now the default outcome.

The problem is insidious.