It is when capitalists own the means of production.

Repeating outdated tropes ad nauseum is dumb.

There is bipartisan support for industrial policy.

2008 shaped our thinking on this and most of our policymakers in the 19th century were influence by Alexander Hamilton and Fredrich List.

Our allies (Japan, South Korea) as well as our competitors (China) use this as well, and so did the US until the 1990s.

I support the CHIPS Act and IRA. I also support building an American SWF as well as operationalizing state-managed SWFs and pension funds into SDFs as well. And so do most decisionmakers who were in the Obama and Biden admins as well as the Trump admin.

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> so I'm not sure we should shape all of our policy

What I mean is pre-2008 it was heterodox to assume that government capital could be deployed to build or rebuild industries.

The default assumption was industrial policy only succeeded once (Japan).

The mixture of public-private subsidizes at the state level to develop GreenTech clusters in TX and CA, Semiconductor clusters in AZ, NatGas and Oil production in the Dakotas, and other such "booms" in the 2010s compared to Germany's hard stance on austerity leading to deindustrialization and China catching up to Germany in a number of core industrial technologies influenced the newish generation of policymakers.

> For this specific industrial policy

Yes [0][1][2][3].

[0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-06/biden-aid...

[1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/us/politics/us-sovereign-...

[2] - https://www.yalejournal.org/publications/wealth-and-diplomac...

[3] - https://irs.princeton.edu/industrial-policy-united-states