logoalt Hacker News

accidentallfacttoday at 6:30 AM2 repliesview on HN

I don't get why it is believed that trees can't pump water above a certain limit, all it should take is a system of valves, something that plants already have for other purposes. It certainly isn't lumuted by trees literally sucking water up as that would limit them to a height that can be easily exceeded by the majority of trees.

It seems that trees just don't grow that tall anymore. Even common trees such as the spruce seem to be able to reach 100m, they just kind of don't.

One possibility is the depletion of nutrients. But what I think is to blame is the lack of elephants. They constantly ruined young trees and the lucky few that survived then grew huge. Perhaps the redwoods were actually created by the natives, who removed young trees, and kept the old trees standing.


Replies

bnegrevetoday at 7:10 AM

> all it should take is a system of valves,

That would work, but it's not how to works apparently. According to this veritasium video, it's because of "negative pressure" aka tension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BickMFHAZR0

I recommend watching, I think it's one of the best veritasium Dereck has ever produced.

tryagainiantoday at 6:44 AM

Also, wasn’t the 250 ppm atmospheric CO2 concentration prior to the start of the Industrial Revolution a historic low as far a geological-time goes?

I suppose that’s not particularly relevant for more recent old growth tall trees that seem to have got by fine in a colder Earth.

But it’s easy to imagine a warmer, wetter, Earth with higher atmospheric CO2 concentrations being more conducive to taller tree growth.

On the other hand, I probably don’t really know what I’m talking about, not my area of expertise.