alt Hacker NewsWhy build separate frameworks for this kind of thing when your operating system is right there?
You can make a file called "orders" and you can run your agent as a user with write access to that file, or as one that doesn't, and then you don't need scans or audits to tell you whether the agent can create orders or not, you can just take your operating system's word for it.
Is there anything all this bolt-on AI security stuff does that can't instead be handled by donning a sysadmin hat and managing your agents as separate users?
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I’d say the biggest difference would be: 1. Parameter-aware rules: OS permissions don’t know your application logic. (How would you tell OS permissions not to let your AI to trade on over 1M dollars) 2. You can’t easily model multi-pary and RBAC. 3. Agents call remote APIs for alot of those tools. Native OS doesn’t really parse web traffic to decide if a request is safe or not. OS sandboxing is good for host security, but not necessarily for governing business logic or AI agents
> Is there anything all this bolt-on AI security stuff does that can't instead be handled by donning a sysadmin hat and managing your agents as separate users?
Like everything else, the packaging and ergonomics matter. Do we need podman or docker when we could just don our sysadmin hats and manage namespaces and cgroups directly instead?
The user separation isn’t even necessary, as far as I’ve seen in the projects in https://github.com/bureado/awesome-agent-runtime-security
One benefit is that this can run in serverless / sandboxed containers where OS primitives are not exposed or heavily limited. I immediately thought of Cloudflare Workers, which runs on V8 and exposes WASM-only interfaces, using Workers AI.
Further, servers still have hosting value, but any business running agents is almost certainly going to want a sandbox that limits what code runs for agentic work, so targeting _sandbox_ environments is probably the better bet long-term. And, yes, you could implement your proposal in any chroot jail or gvisor, but nobody wants to get their hands dirty finnicking with that - programmatic access control beats file-based access control for the simple reason it's managed for you.
If anything, my critique of OP's implementation is actually the opposite of yours: they've chosen the right primitive and layer, but people really need contextual access control rather than RBAC. Sort of like ongoing zero trust. If it was possible to inspect the context, decide if it was a bad idea to allow the tool call, without exposing the decider to untrusted context, you could have something that really changes things.