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davidpapermilltoday at 2:34 PM0 repliesview on HN

Are the trains located where the urban areas are, or are the urban areas built around the train network?

It's chicken and egg question, but in Manchester and London it's very clear that mass transit led to urban development, rather than the other way around.

It's very surprising that cities like Leeds have no mass transit at all, and sizeable cities like Liverpool and Birmingham don't have much.