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Inference Optimization for MiMo v2.5: Pushing Hybrid SWA Efficiency to the Limit

109 pointsby theanonymousonelast Tuesday at 6:06 AM41 commentsview on HN

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SwellJoetoday at 2:27 AM

I've been saying efficiency is the next "frontier" in AI, at least for LLMs that people use daily. Companies have started to really balk at token costs from the major providers, and there's some evidence that the cheaper Chinese models are chipping away at Anthropic/OpenAI dominance from below (as cheaper Chinese products have done in other industries for many years). I continue to think that the vendor that figures out how to efficiently serve a Good Enough model at a much lower price will be the one to win in the end.

DeepSeek is remarkably efficient at caching and their cached token rates are crazy cheap; using it with Reasonix is free real estate, like 97% cached tokens, ends up costing like 30 cents an hour to use DeepSeek V4 Pro. I hadn't dug into MiMo's caching behavior as I haven't used it as heavily as DeepSeek, but this indicates it's close to DeepSeek.

At this point I don't see a reason to use Sonnet, Haiku, or the smaller GPT models, because their API rates are much higher than the best models from MiMo and DeepSeek.

We're still figuring out the upper bounds of capability and I am still finding next generation models are unlocking things I couldn't readily accomplish before and I'm willing to pay more for them (at least, I'll pay the $100 or $200 subscription rates for them, I couldn't justify the token expense for most of my dev work), but we're already at a point where someone building standard CRUD web apps doesn't need the top models and probably doesn't benefit much from using them.

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LaurensBERyesterday at 10:26 PM

It's really cool and interesting to see the kind of engineering that goes into Xiaomi (and Deepseeks) inference optimizations. Z.ai has also published some interesting papers although I haven't had a chance to go through them yet.

It does inspire hope that the Chinese labs seem to be so open although the sceptic in me does wonder what their end game is.

Surely, from a purely economic perspective it would be wiser to keep this proprietary and benefit from the increased API traffic?

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amanharshxtoday at 1:13 AM

This is really neat. They've done some really impressive engineering here ngl with the ~95% KV cache hit rates. MiMo and Deepseek both do seem to get the job done for me. Hope they can keep this pace while staying open source.

nmfishertoday at 6:31 AM

Related, I was given access to mimo-v2.5-ultraspeed, which is amazing. This is now my expectation for speed, it’s fast enough for me to stay mentally engaged rather than getting distracted waiting for the agent to churn.

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ricardobeatyesterday at 10:30 PM

Such a well written article, refreshing to read in between all the slop.

I've used Mimo extensively in the past few months, can't wait to see what v3 will bring.

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killingtime74yesterday at 11:12 PM

Will they lower the price or is this documenting past work

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geenkeusetoday at 3:00 AM

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