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mrtksntoday at 11:36 AM7 repliesview on HN

FTA:

What changes with the return of Chat Control 1.0—and what stays the same:

*What is coming back:* US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud.

*What remains unchanged:* Public social media posts and files hosted in cloud storage could already be scanned without this law. Furthermore, private messages can always be reported by users, or monitored by authorities using targeted, court-ordered wiretapping.

*What is still NOT being scanned:* End-to-end encrypted chats, such as those on WhatsApp, have always been exempt from these scans. Additionally, European providers of messaging and email services have never implemented chat control measures.

So, E2E is unaffected?


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budududuroiutoday at 11:55 AM

The Internet Watch Foundation, the group, funded almost entirely by big tech, who pushed for this vote to be held under emergency procedure, is already at work lobbying for the end of E2EE [1].

In a couple years time, Chat Control 2.0 will come about, and the same tyrants will use the EU admission [2] that there is no evidence that suspicionless scanning of private communications has led to an increase in criminal convictions or in rescued children to argue that we need to go further, and break E2EE.

[1]: https://www.iwf.org.uk/resources/end-to-end-encryption-and-k... [2]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELE...

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lraetoday at 11:43 AM

Yes.

Chat Control 2.0 was the big one in those regards.

(Also, LOL @ Skype mention.)

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phitotoday at 12:05 PM

Does this apply only to new messages or also to history?

sneaktoday at 4:24 PM

> What is coming back: US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud.

They are already allowed to do this, and already are doing this. When you provide data to the service provider in a non-e2ee fashion, it's their data as much as it is yours. They can scan it, data mine it, analyze it, whatever.

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nonethewisertoday at 4:21 PM

Skype?

scotty79today at 11:44 AM

Are the messages to LLMs scanned (beyond normal collection for future training purposes) or is that just for human-to-human messenging?

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armchairhackertoday at 12:07 PM

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