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moomoo11today at 7:57 AM7 repliesview on HN

so what's the alternative? just don't make any progress?


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peratoday at 12:49 PM

In the mid 20th century some people believed urban motorways were "progress" and wanted to build them everywhere, see for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurama_%28New_York_World%27s...

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sobelliantoday at 2:31 PM

People have different definitions of progress. I have found that people who are "progressive" on one axis can often be quite conservative on another. Look at the SF Bay Area. While it is quite progressive in the political-ideology sense, we oppose construction that would cause literal progress in the material conditions of the citizenry. "Manhattanization" has been a word used for decades to oppose the thought of densifying SF. My neighbors here in North Bay come out in arms to oppose light bollards on a public footpath. We cannot even progress our footpaths. Rather than build a larger, more inclusive, and cheaper city, you will find countless proponents for rent control - a solution to the question of, "how can I use the law to keep my apartment cheap while refusing to accommodate any more people in the city?"

You are seeing this in this thread. I doubt anyone likes to be described as contra-progress. But nevertheless people would rather conserve the current night sky than see it transmute into a shimmering sea of a million artificial satellites. It's not really obvious to me why one state should be preferable to the other.

CWIZOtoday at 9:54 AM

Yes? We don't have to blindly and constantly be making progress on everything at all cost. Look around you, look at what all this progress did to the world we live in.

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ivelltoday at 1:12 PM

Progress is a very human centric view. But if you consider earth as a whole system, we have over optimized the system for our benefit while the other parts of the system hugely suffered (other species, environment etc.).

We need to ensure our progress is balanced taking into account the whole system instead of just one part.

ben_wtoday at 9:16 AM

The alternative to Starlink already existed before Starlink. I'm using it right now.

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applfanboysbgontoday at 8:02 AM

Polluting the sky with junk is not "progress".

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