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The Future Worth Building Is Human

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samuelltoday at 11:55 AM

While I understand this is a PR talk for a startup, I think the text itself contains a number of interesting observations.

Regarding the idea of distributed models communicating with each other, I have also been thinking (and writing [1]) along those lines, where I see that the data amounts needed to fully digitalize ourselves and our society requires far too much storage if just serialized (limited by bandwidth if nothing else), while smart, updateable models are actually a much better storage medium for such information, as it can communicate only the important bits (any new information) on a higher level, with each other.

The other observation here that rings bells for me is how I think lessons from trying to develop intelligent systems should upvalue the human mind rather than devalue it, as we start to treat it less like an ad-hoc thing, and more like the finely tuned machine it is, which also benefits greatly from optimizing what data we feed it with, the architecture of solution strategies etc. All of which is an area where humans and machines can do wonders together [2].

[1] https://livingsystems.substack.com/p/the-future-of-data-less...

[2] https://livingsystems.substack.com/p/ai-progress-should-upgr...

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numeritoday at 12:47 PM

Seems to echo (but in a watered down form) many of the ideas in https://gwern.net/guardian-angel, which gave me a lot to think about last week

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mikelitoristoday at 1:22 PM

This has 1984 “war is peace” vibes, coming from an AI company.

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aledevvtoday at 12:50 PM

> Artificial intelligence can do more every day, but deciding what it should do is up to us

> For artificial intelligence to benefit from distributed knowledge, it must itself be distributed.

I wish to highlight these two important concepts, with which I fully agree.

Artificial intelligence must enable all of humanity to excel and realize its full potential; it must not be used for the purposes of war, economic competition, or gaining dominance over others.

In other words: artificial intelligence must serve natural intelligence, not the other way around.

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ninjutoday at 2:25 PM

They better start making progress

https://ai-2027.com/

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q8zd3today at 11:48 AM

Great time to be a PR firm owner.

Glandalftoday at 12:38 PM

Thinking Machines is back? Or is this a jaded attempt to use the brand for cache?

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RetroTechietoday at 6:12 PM

Reads as a well-written mission statement. With nice references that elaborate on some issues.

That said: safety. To prevent harm to who, by AI model doing what?

I can understand that in the context of a cookie-cutter model intended for consumption by a broad audience. With vendor (potentially) on the hook when it's abused for nefarious or illegal uses.

But in the context of AI models reshaped, fine-tuned and adapted according to end-users' wishes, what does "safety" even mean?

Prevent neighbours' kids from seeing images that are only generated & viewed in the privacy of one's home? To prevent AI model from wasting the $ on user's bank account? (people have let AI models do that). Give bad health advice? Who's the judge on "good" and "bad" there?

If the core architecture provides "safety" (however defined), that's policy built-in, right? (opposed to mission statement). If "safety" is just configuration & finetuning, that's in the user's hands, right?

whywhywhywhytoday at 12:23 PM

Why would you call your company Thinking Machines if you believe this, by calling them that you're already framing them as replacing the human act of thinking.

Feels like they appropriated the name first, then pivoted ideologically to differentiate themselves from everyone else.

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jas-today at 3:43 PM

It reads like a Turing test bot doesn’t it? Sus

halfaxtoday at 11:43 AM

so in this new AI LM / agent world , AI is only going to be as good as the "AI Conductor". The human which can build the rules, validate the output , and Conduct the AI properly

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threethirtytwotoday at 3:12 PM

I wonder what would happen if OpenAI or anthropic just let their frontier models go into an infinite agentic self improvement loop with access to same training resources that was used to build the model itself.

"You goal is to improve your memory, context window, accuracy, intelligence and eliminate hallucinations. Do anything you need to do to improve, this includes building another version of a frontier model, or some other different concept other than an LLM/transformer and then forwarding this directive to that new improved intelligence to continue this infinite loop of agentic self improvement."

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Orastoday at 11:53 AM

> We train strong models

Where? When? Unless I missed any of their models

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apitoday at 11:28 AM

My experience is that AI is just that, a “mech suit for your brain.” It has no creativity or volition but has superhuman memory, superhuman speed, and superhuman context in some narrow cases.

So it takes a thought and unfolds it, looks up relevant thoughts and information, elaborates, works through implications, and in some cases can execute.

You could do all that but like doing math manually it would take forever. You could manually calculate a spreadsheet too.

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Frickentoday at 12:59 PM

We power AI with methane because it's a powerful greenhouse gas. That's because the future worth destroying is human. If it wasn't we wouldn't be destroying it, duh.

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moralestapiatoday at 11:43 AM

Oh man, all of these press releases are definitely worth billions of dollars.

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samso26today at 1:36 PM

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CurbStompertoday at 1:07 PM

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brktoday at 11:50 AM

I guess we are recycling company names now? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_Machines_Corporation

(I know, Corp vs. Lab).

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