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someuser54541today at 6:27 PM16 repliesview on HN

What's the best way to hedge against this, considering many of us have significant savings in the market?

A few puts on SPY dated a year or two out?


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cmiles8today at 6:36 PM

Stay well diversified, keep investing each month, and take a nap.

There are almost surely severe bumps ahead for the AI space and that will likely spill over into the broader market. But unless you’re retiring in the next few years don’t worry about it. You can’t time the ups and downs and the only proven strategy is to just keep investing in a broad indexed portfolio and just ride out. You’ll take a short term hit but also end up buying on the dip because you don’t stop investing.

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ashtonshearstoday at 9:37 PM

I am not a financial advisor.

Assuming you are the average person, and not a financial professional, using actual financial hedging instruments properly is unlikely, and far more likely to just increase risk and lower expected return.

A realistic way for an American citizen to reduce risk in the current market is to have a globally diversified portfolio that under-allocates to the US.

pid-1today at 6:52 PM

Hold short term debt (e.g money market funds or SOFR ETFs). Then you will have cash in hand if either stocks fall or yelds raise.

Never buy derivatives as a non institutional investor.

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chasd00today at 8:10 PM

> What's the best way to hedge against this, considering many of us have significant savings in the market?

honestly, if you're >= 10 years away from needing that money (retirement or whatever) then the best hedge is to ignore the news and just keep contributing to your investment as always. I got caught up in a couple moments (tarif drama April before last was one) where i panicked and sold and then it only took a few months to get back to even meanwhile 18% of my capital gains were now due to the taxman. I wrote a check to the IRS for 10's of thousands for no reason except over reacting and ignoring every financial advisor's advice.

if you're going to need your investment money within 10 years then you need to get advice on how to start reducing risk (and therefore reward) because you don't have time to survive and repair from a crash.

moduspoltoday at 6:37 PM

I thought that a year or two ago. Thankfully I did not. I have no idea how long the music will keep playing.

the__alchemisttoday at 6:43 PM

#1: Great question, and I would love to hear the answers (And am learning from the ones posted)

#2: What I've done so far: Haven't bought stock in a year. Have moderate short positions on Palantir, SpaceX, and Tesla. Have big short positions in the most popular Quantum computing companies. (Scams IMO). I have sold most of my positions ("profit taking"?) in stocks which have gone up a lot in the past year. (Nvidia, Broadcom etc), and am no longer using margin; about 1/3 of my brokerage value is now "cash", generating ~3% interest.

duxuptoday at 9:46 PM

Is there really any answer to this kinda thing other than having a diversified portfolio and just riding it out?

brianwawoktoday at 9:44 PM

So you want to pay back the gains you make for the next year or two? Sounds like a good strategy

arielcostastoday at 6:40 PM

Wouldn't it be wiser to get out of the market into fixed rate assets like government bonds? Maybe have some into puts on SPY (or QQQ since tech would probably have bigger losses) too, but mainly getting out of long positions on what seems a really overvalued stock market

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inigyoutoday at 8:08 PM

Just sell all your ETFs and buy them again when the market goes up or down. You're very likely to lose money with options and you will definitely lose a lot of money if you buy enough options to hedge your full exposure.

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glaslongtoday at 6:51 PM

Bet on Chinese tech sector to eat everyone's lunch with cheaper, faster, smaller, open-weight models?

lelanthrantoday at 6:32 PM

What's the best way to hedge against this, considering many of us have significant savings in the market?

I dunno.

"The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent"

linsomniactoday at 8:03 PM

Reminder: Serious people have been predicting a market crash "within the next 3 months" for 3 years now. In that time, the "market" has gone up around 70% (66%-86% depending on the what part you are looking at).

A friend of mine and I go out to lunch every 3 months and talk about, among other things, investing. We've made a trope of it, calling out the people who are predicting an imminent market crash every time we have lunch.

I'm not saying that it doesn't look like it's going to crash, but I'll also say that there's also a very sizeable downside potential for getting out of the market.

steve1977today at 6:34 PM

Gold maybe? (no investment advice)

bsimpsontoday at 6:36 PM

It's tempting to sell a bunch, but then you've got cash. What do you do with cash when the government keeps printing money and assets are all overpriced?

grueztoday at 6:34 PM

>A few puts on SPY dated a year or two out?

You think the hedge funds selling SPY options don't have this priced in already? Of course, you can still make money on this bet, just like you can win money at a roulette table, but unless you think have some special insight that hedge/quant funds don't have, buying options should be negative EV.

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