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dovintoday at 7:42 PM4 repliesview on HN

Just in case you were thinking of signing up directly with Moonshot to use the service, they appear to train even on API use:

> We may use Content to provide, maintain, develop, support, and improve the Services, comply with applicable law, enforce our terms and policies, and keep the Services safe and secure. Customer who requires restrictions on the use of Customer Content for training or improving Moonshot AI models may contact Moonshot AI to discuss available enterprise arrangements or separate written agreements. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, Customer Content may be used for the foregoing purposes.

https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/agreement/modeluse#4-content


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pietztoday at 8:25 PM

I'm usually not the overly paranoid one but shouldn't you assume that all Chinese labs are training on your data no matter what the T&C say?

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theplumbertoday at 8:23 PM

I pretty sure OpenAI and Anthropic are doing the same or worse. Keep in mind that these companies are in the business of stealing IP work and reselling it to you with "safety checks" so asking if they use your usage data for training is a bit naive at best. At least the Chinese companies are more open and give back to the community compared with the "frontier" providers.

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lvillanitoday at 7:53 PM

Interesting. OpenRouter classifies the Moonshot provider as ZDR. I wonder whether they have a ZDR agreement or it's a misclassification on their part.

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onesandofgraintoday at 8:15 PM

You think openai, anthropic, google, z and any of the others dont? They do, if they say they dont, they do. Who wouldn't in this earth-shattering race. So Naive