>> No they're not. It would end both companies if they were ever found to be doing that. Their terms are clear - The argument here is that with the Chinese labs you have zero legal recourse.

Their terms are not worth shit considering they are reselling you stolen copyrighted data. Even in they terms they started clearly say they retain your data for "safety reasons" for however long they want. Perhaps you didn't watch the space with Anthropic going back and forth with ToS updates(we retain your data for 30 days...stike that and add 30 days or more or no or ..whatever) like my own alpha website.

I would think they are not but Alex Karp CEO of Palantir seems to imply that they are:

https://youtu.be/0A3sGymV6kY?si=ti7uSZtYqJ3vKpGM

I found it a little shocking TBH

Are we talking about the company sending back private information through its client to « fight » model distillation?

They could use an agent to summarise the source material, and then train models on those summaries, and claim that some sort of clean-room training has happened?

> if you use the coding plans they train in return.

No, you have to opt-in to that. There's a privacy toggle on account settings.

I think the risk of not doing is more existential than doing so and getting caught. Wouldn’t you agree?

Edit: And the point of the poster is they have already demonstrated a track record of lying and misconduct, so how can you trust their word now? What have they done to show you they have taken responsibility for past actions and changed?

lmao, wasn't xAI caught doing this recently? moreover at least moonshot is being honest about it.

they train on your requests by paraphrasing them (which means rewriting them but keeping all the saliency) and removing their association with you

i don't know why this is so controversial, their terms are written to perfectly fit this training regime. one of you downvoters i'm sure has an enterprise contract with them, just ask.

if you are using bedrock, until very recently, they didn't see your requests and could not paraphrase. but too many people were using bedrock for too much stuff they wanted to see. so that's why the terms for bedrock changed for fable 5. this was the core of the palantir / defense dept drama with anthropic.

Anthropic constantly uses dark patterns to steal training data from customers (like the “how is claude doing” spam, data retention loosening when the safeguards false positive, etc).