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litoEtoday at 5:34 AM6 repliesview on HN

As I understand it, concrete has excellent resistance to compression but fails easily on traction, while steel bars are exactly the opposite. That is why you put rebar in concrete: the steel handles the traction loads and the concrete handles the compression. This works well because both materials have similar coefficients of thermal expansion, so as the temperature changes they both expand and contract at the same rate. I suppose you can engineer fiberglass to have the same thermal expansion coefficient and use it to replace steel (assuming it is just as strong on traction). But how would you "build without rebar even"? Wouldn't your beams start cracking at the bottom, where they are subject to traction?


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mikepurvistoday at 5:41 AM

To build without tension you have to build structures that basically look like Roman structures [1]: a bunch of tightly spaces arches so that the entire thing is in compression, with no meaningful tension anywhere.

But it turns out that's pretty inconvenient; we really like doing dozens of feet of span for highway overpasses, building floors, and everything else. So we put rebar in all the concrete and just acknowledge that that means it has an absolute maximum lifespan of a century or two, and will certainly not last for millennia the way pure concrete in pure compression can.

[1]: https://www.theartnewbie.com/blog/rome/roman-arch

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pinkmuffineretoday at 6:50 AM

> Wouldn't your beams start cracking at the bottom, where they are subject to traction?

You have a few mistakes here. I’m not trying to demean you, but I’m going to number them just for clarity, as it can get confusing when there are many misunderstandings.

1. You are intending to ask about tension (which the rebar helps with), not traction (the force your tires exert against a road).

2. Tension is not only experienced at the bottom of beams, the location with the most tension will depend on the geometry. For a vertical beam, I think tension will probably be pretty even through the whole beam in most “normal” designs and loading configurations. But it will really depend on the geometry and on the loads being applied.

3. I think when you say concrete beams you’re meaning columns (apologies if I’m wrong about this). Concrete columns are remarkably good at holding up without rebar, because they experience almost exclusively compression! And indeed, ancient Roman designs did not use rebar at all :). It’s certainly possible.

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deepsuntoday at 6:41 AM

> exactly the opposite

No, steel is better in both ways, ten times over. It's just more expensive, concrete is a "filler" to cheap out construction.

If you think about it, all engineering is about cheaping out things. It's pretty easy to build awesome projects having unlimited budget.

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aw1621107today at 5:36 AM

Just FYI, I think you're looking for "(in) tension" instead of "(on) traction".

cmatoday at 5:49 AM

There's also stainless steel rebar

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