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sigmoid10yesterday at 11:34 AM6 repliesview on HN

Yes. I have never seen any system (planes or elsewhere) that splits multiple voice communication inputs so you hear different streams in different ears. How would that be different (let alone better) than having both streams in both ears? It's not like your brain can process each ear separately.


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dave7yesterday at 7:03 PM

> It's not like your brain can process each ear separately.

If you've ever seen a dance music DJ (Tomorrowland is streaming on Youtube right now!) - that's exactly what many of them do.

To DJ a continuous mix as is the norm for this style - generally you'll have headphones on, but only covering one ear. You'll listen to "currently playing" though your right ear, through the venue sound system (well, it's monitors). You'll also be listening to "up next", on the other record/cd/mp3 deck, through the headphones to your other ear. And you'll work the pitch slider, trim controls etc and hopefully produce a good mix!

Not everyone does it like this, some have the headphones permanently on and mix in stereo both tracks at both ears. Or split ears, headphones only - that is an option on the usual Pioneer mixers. But it's surely the most common mental image of a club DJ to have them holding their hand to their headphones on one ear only, I'm sure!

singleshot_yesterday at 11:33 PM

> I have never seen any system (planes or elsewhere) that splits multiple voice communication inputs so you hear different streams in different ears.

PS Engineering PMA450B is one, but most GA aircraft I’ve flown work like this.

> How would that be different

It would be different based on the fact you’d hear one conversation in your left ear, and another in your right ear.

> (let alone better)

Beauty is in the ear of the beholder.

> It's not like your brain can process each ear separately.

Different brains function differently.

tzsyesterday at 3:21 PM

There are generally 4 ways you can deal with presenting two independent mono sources to one person using headphones:

1. Mix them together into one mono channel and send that to both ears.

2. One in each ear.

3. Make separate mixes for each ear. For each ear's mix make one of the sources louder than the other, picking a different source to make louder for each ear.

4. Like #3, but also add delay in each ear's mix to the source that is weaker in that ear.

#2 is generally better than #1. Personally I'd find it annoying because it is very unnatural, but it makes it a lot easier for the brain to separate the sources, makes it easier to focus on one and ignore the other if you need to do that, and prevents the auditory masking you can get when two sources are in same place in your perceived audio space.

#3 fixes the masking problem with #1 but #2 still because it is still easier to focus when you need to. Also, in each ear the weaker signal is unnatural and the brain expends some effort to filter it out, which is fatiguing over long periods.

#4 is by far the best. It solves the long term fatigue problem from #3 because our auditory system is built to expect a weaker version of anything one ear hears first to arrive shortly later at the other ear, and automatically filters it out instead of having to do it at a higher level. The delay shifts the perceived source of each voice to somewhere outside the head instead of somewhere inside, which is more natural, which is much less fatiguing than the "one voice" per ear approach (the brain almost always does more work when something seems unnatural).

Many military planes use #4, as do some Airbus models.

HarHarVeryFunnyyesterday at 5:25 PM

Different voice inputs in different ears wouldn't help since our brain processes auditory input on left/right side of brain based on the type of input, not which ear it came from. Speech is processed on the left side, and non-speech (music etc) on the right side.

Fripplebubbyyesterday at 1:43 PM

But of course your brain can process each ear separately. You have a holistic conscious experience, but that is like a hallucination constructed by your brain for your own benefit. The raw signals are indeed "in stereo"