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tristanjlast Saturday at 9:19 PM11 repliesview on HN

That is incorrect. Anthropic paid $1.5 billion in compensation to copyright holders for use of their content in training data. OpenAI pays hundreds of millions per year across 150+ licensing deals for access to copyrighted data. Meta and Alphabet have similar arrangements.

Under the settlement, Anthropic was forced to delete the pirated data they were training on.

Chinese labs can still train on pirated data. I doubt the Chinese models operate under similar licensing agreements.


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orangecatlast Saturday at 9:38 PM

Anthropic paid $1.5 billion in compensation to copyright holders for use of their content in training data.

The payment was for illegally downloading copyrighted material, not training. Training was explicitly ruled to be fair use.

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andriy_kovallast Saturday at 9:32 PM

they didn't pay yet, because court challenged settlement as inadequate.

> I doubt the Chinese models operate under similar licensing agreements.

US corps likely pay licenses when afraid to be sued, or have troubles getting that data, otherwise they just take data, which was demonstrated many times. The same apply to Chinese corps, alibaba totally can be sued in US.

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beambotlast Saturday at 9:57 PM

They settled with a subset of copyright holders. Guarantee they violated lots of others' rights in the process

idiotsecantlast Saturday at 10:02 PM

That's like saying someone is a big proponent of community law and order, and they donated $1000 to the county sheriff when actually they got caught drunk speeding in a school zone.

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codedokodelast Saturday at 9:52 PM

They only paid when they got caught. And not to everyone.

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ForHackernewslast Saturday at 9:32 PM

After the fact. They did the same thing Youtube, Uber and Airbnb did: Break the law, eventually get caught, cut some deal where they pay a pittance and keep doing the same thing but now with leverage on their side.

yogthoslast Sunday at 12:12 AM

They used two of my books and I'm still waiting for my cheque here.

poloticslast Saturday at 9:41 PM

really!? nobody paid me anything for my comments on HN.

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maximus_01last Saturday at 9:34 PM

Let’s not forget that Anthropic only paid that to settle a class action lawsuit.

vitally3643last Sunday at 12:16 PM

Compensation is not license

ttoinoulast Saturday at 9:40 PM

Because they got caught

there is much less intellectual property in China so it’s not ‘theft’ (as you can’t put property on information)