I looked at the comments here but it doesn't appear to be an accurate characterization of the discourse. If anyone has links to such comments shaping the discourse from before the parent posted I'd be interested.

There's one top-level comment that's just an opinion of censorship of Qwen models (which might be argued to be politically adjacent if one assumes the censorship is referring to sensitive political subjects) but no specifics and there was a rebuttal reply anyway, while an unrelated top-level comment has a child reply believing China models are commoditizing AI to unseat US based models (could be argued a whiff of politics but also just competition) but it was still a positive impression.

Then I went to archive.org to check the earliest crawl of this page (prior to parent's post), but nothing different. So I enabled showdead in my settings to check dead-marked posts and there's one post near the bottom talking about how Chinese models are rarely ground-up foundational models, while another dead comment had an angle about it's a geopolitical strategy (neither of which had replies). Ironically some of the dead comments are praising Qwen.

you probably are overly sensitive and biased, do not forget transformer is the only 'original' for AI so far, the 'original aspirations' nowadays are just incremental improvements. human rights are not rubbish by the way, you might earn high salary now, dare to criticize Mr.Xi at all? you could be in jail and lose everything overnight. without human rights, tech is fragile and mostly harmful in the end.

> human rights and all that rubbish

While I understand your point, please think a bit how you formulated the sentence above.

> human rights and all that rubbish

Denying human rights. Classic. Sorry - you instantly lost any respect I could have maybe had for your opinion.

Perfectly in agreement, but in many places politics were forced into geek spaces. Formerly nobody cared which country you came from.

I think anyone that used open models will have had contact with Qwen. China currently does the most work here, simple as that.

In case there is a decent forum about tech somewhere in the Alibaba cloud, I'll be interested. HN has built a certain unhealthy bias in a lot of subjects. But so far other places haven't gained enough traction, yet.

Yes, and its geting annoying

If you know of another forum with less politics or VC talk and more technical depth please let us know :)

What else would you expect from a "majority" of US educated geeks?

Btw, are you using GPUs/TUs at all for local inference? I've been exploring what hardware options exist outside of Nvidia.

> human rights and all that rubbish Crazy that you think human rights are rubbish. It clearly paints where china and its population is headed.

People in the US have not lost soghts sight of their original aspirations. They are always on track much more than before really. Making as much money as possible in as little time as possible.

I have a feeling this comment will make history

The response was similar when the new grock came out.

Unfortunately this is a US centric site, for a US based investor, who themselves and probably most commenters as well who are highly paid silicon valley people who have stakes in ai companies on their side of the pond.

Not to mention the political unrest and fear of losing the technological superiority which they once earned but now is trying so hard to hold on to through legally grey monopolistic practices. You dare not outcompete the US in any tech they can sanction.

At some point people who made genuine innovation and wanted to make the world a better and equal place were replaced with capitalists.

Wait for the downvotes.

> humans right and all that rubbish

Ummmm....

I see both technical and political topics being discussed and I think the balance is fine right now. The pricing is also very suspicious such that people raising suspicion about it being subsidized is not that surprising to me.

Dude, you're a Chinese developer! I'm also a Chinese developer, nice to meet you.

So do you agree that we developed quite a profile of low-quality software under Chinese techs whose UI and logic are pure not-well-thought-through and even disgusting to use.

Do you really think Alibaba would make their model open-sourced if the model gets to be the best of the world

And how would you comment on the fact that CCP recently restricted high-profile model trainers' freedom of movement by requiring a license whenever they want to leave the country?

They also did the same thing to Manus' Xiao Hong(who is not a model trainer in this case), who looks like a good person

Welcome! What other sites like v2ex.com are out there on your side of the world?

> instead starts going on about politics, human rights and all that rubbish

look, it's just a matter of priorities ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯

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