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rednbtoday at 4:08 PM26 repliesview on HN

I am growing tired of these pelicans posts every time a new model is published. Feels to me like low effort personal brand promotion. Just sharing my 2 cents.


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simonwtoday at 4:43 PM

You and a few other people, but enough people still appreciate the bit that I'm going to keep doing it.

They're easy enough to skip - click the little "-" icon and you'll collapse the entire sub-thread.

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jwrallietoday at 11:33 PM

Here is a different opinion. I’m always looking forward to see the pelican whenever a new model is released. It’s plain simple to understand, memorable, subtle enough in terms of details, and my favorite part is that you have been doing them consistently long enough for it to be useful for comparing almost everything with anything.

theowaway213456today at 4:45 PM

But how else am I supposed to know when we've reached AGI, until I see an absolutely flawless pelican?

All of the pelicans so far have had really weird flaws / quirks so I am always a little interested to see how well these models perform at this task, since I've seen all the past pelicans and have some anchoring.

Seeing a truly flawless pelican would tell me that the model has true visual reasoning capabilities as well as good taste.

bayganyotoday at 4:20 PM

I feel the same way. It was fun at first but has gotten tiresome. Does anyone actually use these models to generate SVGs?

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busymichaeltoday at 4:27 PM

I think you're underweighting the Pelican test.

Not only does it give you a super easy-to-grok understanding of the model quality just by looking at the image, but when you compare tokens and costs (both input and output), you really get a good, simple COST x QUALITY evaluation across models.

Simon explains it well: https://simonwillison.net/2026/Jul/16/kimi-k3/#what-can-we-l...

Simon, you should put up a summary table page that you update after every release.

x187463today at 4:16 PM

At this point, it's kind of a hackernews thing. Simon posts them as a single comment in the relevant thread. It's okay for this place to have a little bit of a sense of community, and you can just ignore the comment.

tomrodtoday at 4:09 PM

Its a nice benchmark. Like hearing the ice cream truck on a summer day.

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cayley_graphtoday at 4:11 PM

Yeah. It's something I can do myself in a couple seconds if I want, also on more varied SVG scenes. If this is going to be a benchmark people turn to I'd like to see more effort put into it than just a one-sentence prompt.

squidbeaktoday at 5:11 PM

Disagree. They're a nice tradition, but besides that, they're a useful way of eyeballing improvements. I realise labs are likely to be training for Pelicans - but if they're all training for them, the differences in the results are as indicative as they were before labs trained for them.

The 3.6 Flash pelican is just about the best I've seen.

FuckButtonstoday at 4:16 PM

My 2 cents: you don’t have to look at the pelican if you don’t want to.

pedertoday at 6:11 PM

All the models do this well. It's a test that tell us nothing at this point.

nullgeotoday at 6:12 PM

Hard disagree. I love a little bit of whimsy (which I feel the world is lacking more and more everyday) from Simon everytime a new model is announced.

magicalhippotoday at 4:48 PM

Perhaps freshen it up and extend the test by feeding the model the rendered output so it can iterate once. Assuming a multi-modal model.

andybaktoday at 6:12 PM

I'm happy for Simon to post what he wants, when he wants. He's earned it.

BeetleBtoday at 5:20 PM

I love them. Keep 'em coming.

EstanislaoStantoday at 5:38 PM

Vibe code an extension that autocollapses any post mentioning pelicans and by simonw?

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zuzululutoday at 9:38 PM

Your comment reads very pedantic with a hint of jealousy. The pelican and xbox controllers are great ways to see how well it can follow direction dealing with svg a difficult format for LLMs to use and testing their spatial vision awareness.

netdurtoday at 5:22 PM

Do something instead of complain

rjh29today at 8:56 PM

It's just how he is. Prior to LLMs he was cramming a datasette link into every thread. Downvote and move on.

justinhjtoday at 6:25 PM

I find Simon's work informative and entertaining; the last thing he can be accused of is low effort. The Pelicans are just a bit of fun icing on top.

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reinitctxoffsettoday at 6:23 PM

I'll split the difference. When it's a blog post there's usually an interesting observation or two, but if it's totally automated? Maybe just do the ones with a post.

GaggiXtoday at 4:15 PM

I like seeing the pelicans, it's a tradition.

IshKebabtoday at 4:14 PM

Yeah and it's surely in the training data by now. Long past time to stop.

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xyzsparetimexyztoday at 4:15 PM

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bubble_nitertoday at 4:35 PM

A new model arrives. The pelican, with uncanny commercial instinct, is never far behind.

Sponsored blogs and paid newsletters are after all, notoriously poor at subsisting on silence :)

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