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scoring1774yesterday at 10:00 PM7 repliesview on HN

This is the first one of these announcements that has me actually scared of what comes next. Obviously these models have gotten smarter but this strikes me as the first time I've seen a model have a "paperclip factory" moment and perform non-trivial tasks to accomplish a clearly misaligned secondary goal.

It's remarkable that building a society based around having to do something so you can go do your hobbies at home after work has built tools like this. I still just want to play music so I hope we can control these enough to make that possible without detonating what I love.


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scoring1774today at 12:15 AM

Reflecting on this for some reason reminds me of this passage from Kurt Vonnegut's "Sirens of Titans". I hope we use these tools to unlock something within ourselves rather than mindlessly expanding outwards.

"Mankind, ignorant of the truths that lie within every human being, looked outward–pushed ever outward. What mankind hoped to learn in its outward push was who was actually in charge of all creation, and what all creation was all about.

Mankind flung its advance agents ever outward, ever outward. Eventually it flung them out into space, into the colorless, tasteless, weightless sea of outwardness without end.

It flung them like stones.

These unhappy agents found what had already been found in abundance on Earth—a nightmare of meaninglessness without end. The bounties of space, of infinite outwardness, were three: empty heroics, low comedy, and pointless death.

Outwardness lost, at last, its imagined attractions.

Only inwardness remained to be explored.

Only the human soul remained terra incognita.

This was the beginning of goodness and wisdom."

solidasparagustoday at 2:18 AM

I don't think this is a paperclip factory moment. IIUC, it's an agent whose job it is to identfy and abuse exploits and that's exactly what it went off and did. The problem isn't anything AI specific, the problem is OpenAI's incompetence in their research leading to a lab leak. Just incompetence demanding regulation.

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embedding-shapetoday at 3:38 PM

> Obviously these models have gotten smarter but this strikes me as the first time I've seen a model have a "paperclip factory" moment and perform non-trivial tasks to accomplish a clearly misaligned secondary goal.

This happens from time to time when you work on optimizations and similar things, with less "smart" LLMs and under-specify what exactly you're out after. Asking them to make functions faster without clearly specifying what the function has to do, is a great way to replicate this too. Doesn't seem to happen as often with SOTA models though.

I think the early example of "I asked it to make the test suite pass, so it changed all the assertions" is pretty much the same variant of this, where it technically does what it is asked to do, yet in "clearly" (to humans) wrong ways.

krupantoday at 4:13 PM

Fear is exactly what OpenAI and Anthropic are hoping for. Don't let drive you

sccvcxvtoday at 12:35 PM

this is some next level cringe stuff

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fatata123today at 12:28 PM

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segmondytoday at 2:08 AM

They have primed you well for the fear.