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atwrktoday at 6:51 AM5 repliesview on HN

IMO they hope to make AI a strongly regulated industry, with OpenAI (and Anthropic) becoming military suppliers with their stronger models, and everything Chinese or open-weight gets banned.

The competition from the open models is so strong now that this seems to be the only way to keep both companies afloat, given their dire financials. OpenAI probably hoped that they can achieve market lead and then lower the training costs (and make inference cheap enough to eventually escape the red numbers), but the opposite is happening: The competition comes closer and closer, thus training has to be kept up with full force, thus the bleeding continues.

But if they can position themselves as too important/dangerous to be available for everyone (thus this incident report and the clever mentioning of GLM 5.2), they could get the military supplier treatment and would be protected from the market.


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hirako2000today at 7:06 AM

And even that is backfiring, their partner citing GLM being useful there, and available in just a spin.

A ban on open weight models is never going to be enforceable.

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tancoptoday at 12:54 PM

thats economic suicide for the whole country. europe and china will never agree to rules that are obviously designed to put them in a permanent bad position. these regulations can only pass in america and nowhere else.

if it doesnt end in a revolution then the united states will be the first ever 5th world country. openai and anthropic will stop any real innovation and focus on extracting profits from a failing economy that depends on them because no executive wants to be the first one to cut off ai funding. ordinary americans will have to emigrate or risk living in a country spiraling into poverty and dictatorship even faster than today.

anthropics plan relies on the idea that they can convince the whole world to give up their sovereignty to the us government and destroy their own tech industry, at a time when everyone is doing the opposite. that will never happen no matter how much they threaten the rest of us with tariffs and murder drones.

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repelsteeltjetoday at 10:08 AM

> [...] would be protected from the market.

One might step back and ask: why would a well funded company with free mining access to all the information in the world need to be protected from the market, if the market suggest less money and resources are sufficient?

Something something cathedral / bazaar? Communism / capitalism? Control / anarchy?

obliotoday at 12:55 PM

> and make inference cheap enough to eventually escape the red numbers

Besides training, we have no hard, externally audited numbers that say inference costs for SOTA models are truly sustainable. Do any OpenRouter providers have publicly audited financial numbers ?

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tomjen3today at 3:31 PM

I think that is probably too conspiratorial, if only for the reason that Europe is not gonna go along with it.

I work in tech in Europe and we have a fair number of customers who arelike. we can accept AI, but they must keep the data in Europe. That's trivial with an open weight. We literally cannot do it with Fable.