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catigulayesterday at 5:31 PM6 repliesview on HN

Stealing IP in a way that destroys the economic incentives of a company to create the thing isn’t competition, it’s typical Chinese industrial economic deception and malfeasance. The industry cannot sustain itself if that’s the model and that’s the point; China is trying to damage frontier us companies. It’s hostile, a bad actor that leverages Ip theft wholesale.


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ceejayozyesterday at 5:36 PM

Everything you just said describes the major American AI providers.

Anthropic just settled a $1.5B suit over it!

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soperjyesterday at 5:42 PM

> a bad actor that leverages Ip theft wholesale.

It's like they've read the history of the US and how it got to where it is in the first place.

matheusmoreirayesterday at 8:40 PM

> Stealing IP in a way that destroys the economic incentives

Like the US did when it "stole" the textiles IP from the UK in order to kickstart its own industry?

> The industry cannot sustain itself if that’s the model

Then let it fall apart.

amanaplanacanalyesterday at 7:25 PM

What IP is being stolen here? So far, the courts have ruled that anything generated by an LLM is not copyrightable.

rickydrollyesterday at 5:54 PM

Stealing IP is how American industry got started. Goose: gander, pot: kettle.

It is what built and sustains the movie and music industries. See: work for hire and 100+year copyright length

The tech industry: see: copyright and patent assignment from discoverer to corporation.

I know that corporations forcing me to assign patents and copyright to them was an incentive to take published works from "software practice and experience" and other technical journals, use them as the core of my work, and disclose that source to the company I worked for. Didn't stop them from applying for patents, however.

I think the discussion of copyright needs more refinement. We need to separate the discoverer's need for acknowledgment of development effort from the rent-seeking core of copyright.

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nickphxyesterday at 5:52 PM

Oh, ok. How would you describe how the "frontier us companies" acquired the data used to form their models?