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chistoday at 4:39 PM7 repliesview on HN

Absolutely terrifying. I'm sure they will soon find that AI pilots defeat human ones in dogfights 100% of the time, since they have faster reaction times, can tolerate higher G forces, and can be perfectly RL trained in the flight sims we already have.

It's really incredible to me that people aren't protesting in the streets over this stuff. Just in the last month we have * AI that goes rogue and hacks billion-dollar companies * AI solving long-standing math problems without any meaningful human help * AI controlled autonomous drones in Ukraine and F-16s in America * AI now represents over 50% of GDP growth in America and yearly capex will soon exceed the size of the $1 trillion US military budget

Is there any line where the public will become deeply concerned? I mean it really all reads like a sci-fi plot with a bad ending at the moment.


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jandrewrogerstoday at 5:08 PM

Dogfights aren't really a thing for a modern military. What the AI enables is much higher endurance than is feasible with a human in the loop. They planes can stay flying as long as they can be refueled, which is also going AI.

kruncktoday at 8:34 PM

> Is there any line where the public will become deeply concerned?

Only when they look out their window and feel immediately threatened by what they see. Humans are shortsighted as fuck.

IsTomtoday at 5:01 PM

Are dogfights still relevant? Isn't it mostly shooting missiles outside of visual range these days?

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ryandraketoday at 7:18 PM

> Is there any line where the public will become deeply concerned?

Is someone, somewhere using the wrong bathroom? Or is the wrong colored person crossing an invisible line in the desert? Those seem to be the only issues that reliably get the (American) public to the polls.

impulser_today at 4:47 PM

These systems still require a human to command the jet, they jsut don't have to be inside them.

"This critical testing will pave the way for human pilots to seamlessly command and orchestrate teams of autonomous, uncrewed aircraft."

The reason they are doing this is because the Military is already building a bunch of autonomous drones and fighter jets that already run on this system so they are retrofitting existing equipment with the same system so they can all fly together.

"Ultimately, the capabilities advanced under AIR will enable a wide variety of future joint force operations, including Collaborative Combat Aircraft programs."

Which are these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned-unmanned_teaming

And everyone is developing these.

orbital-decaytoday at 7:01 PM

>Just in the last month we have * AI that goes rogue and hacks billion-dollar companies

Except this never happened, it's a piece of marketing. It never "went rogue" but followed an intentional prompt (exploit-related benchmark), with hardly surprising results as the capabilities of this model were well known.

>AI controlled autonomous drones in Ukraine and F-16s in America

An entirely different kind of AI, not huge generalist models. Neural networks are being experimented with in sensors and control systems since the 80s and are widely used in everything since AlexNet, not sure what's new here, especially "this month" new.

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philipwhiuktoday at 4:53 PM

> I'm sure they will soon find that AI pilots defeat human ones in dogfights 100% of the time,

Unfortunately you're wrong. It's not soon. It's 6 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_AlphaDogfight