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SwellJoetoday at 8:39 PM4 repliesview on HN

Open Source AI is challenging. Even tiny models require tremendous resources to produce, so all the things we know about "open source" for software, like a random person in Nebraska can produce a critical piece of the world's infrastructure in their spare time, don't apply.

Actually open source AI is more like scientific research. It needs public funding and reputable institutions as stewards of that funding. I'm hopeful Allen AI is able to do the things, but I'm not sure the US is moving in the direction it needs to be to get to the point where AI in the public interest is something we invest in.

But, also Photoshop is not at all comparable to open weight models. I can't legally give you a copy of Photoshop, but I can give you a copy of GLM 5.2. There are free proprietary applications out there that fit the bill, Photoshop isn't one of them.


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parl_matchtoday at 9:14 PM

> Open Source AI is challenging. Even tiny models require tremendous resources to produce, so all the things we know about "open source" for software, like a random person in Nebraska can produce a critical piece of the world's infrastructure in their spare time, don't apply.

No, but a small university team with dark time on the state school system's cluster can build a basic, functional LLM.

It will be a few years (or more) until true "open source" LLMs are available and high quality, for sure. But it's not as impenetrable as it seems, IMO.

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embedding-shapetoday at 9:26 PM

> Open Source AI is challenging. Even tiny models require tremendous resources to produce, so all the things we know about "open source" for software

Compiling/creating the Linux kernel or Chromium is no child's dance either, doesn't make them more/less FOSS than other things. Open Source AI gets its name from the license, not how easy/difficult it is to run/produce yourself.

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petcattoday at 8:42 PM

OK so replace the Photoshop example with a compiled GIMP or shareware binary. It doesn't change the fact that it is not open source.

The free software community complains all the time about binary blobs that are otherwise legal to freely distribute. Like firmwares. But somehow this is all overlooked with these "open weight" models.

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antonvstoday at 8:58 PM

> But, also Photoshop is not at all comparable to open weight models. I can't legally give you a copy of Photoshop

Please tell me this level of obtuseness is deliberate.

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