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skippyfishtoday at 5:28 PM19 repliesview on HN

Counterpoint from someone who's been publishing on the internet for decades: no one will visit your website. It's as simple as that. You need a push mechanism to reach readers.

RSS could be it, but it's too niche. Social media is kinda it, but algorithmic feeds reward political clickbait and just because someone clicks "follow" or "subscribe" is not a guarantee that they will ever see your posts. Substack gives you a way to push content to your subscribers without an intermediary deciding what they get to read.

So no, there's no special value to having a website or syndicating across the web. There's a lot of value in backing up your Substack subscribers' emails so that you can move somewhere else down the line, and the nice thing about Substack is that they let you do that. If they stop, that's a trap.


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billyp-rvatoday at 5:35 PM

> Substack gives you a way to push content to your subscribers without an intermediary deciding what they get to read.

How do we know they won't start limiting your reach in the future? That's the path basically every other platform has gone down.

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4ndrewltoday at 8:20 PM

It's not really a counterpoint when it's addressed in the article.

"The biggest pushback I hear from writers is: “But my website doesn’t have an audience! Substack does.”

But you don’t have to completely abandon social media or platforms like Substack to protect your autonomy (personally, I prefer the word sovereignty but it does sound a tad dramatic)."

throw0101dtoday at 6:39 PM

> Counterpoint from someone who's been publishing on the internet for decades: no one will visit your website. It's as simple as that. You need a push mechanism to reach readers.

I think that one should at least have one's own domain instead of example.substack.com. Substack allows for exporting posts (which would be good to do regularly just for backups in case of (account) compromise):

* https://support.substack.com/hc/en-us/articles/360037466012-...

so if you ever feel like the company is acting questionably, you can take that file and bring it in elsewhere, e.g.

* https://wordpress.com/support/import-from-substack/

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zahlmantoday at 5:52 PM

What if I want people to read me without needing a subscription or email disclosure?

What's the email for anyway? So that you can get sent notifications of new posts? ... People read those kinds of emails? I always curse myself for finding a way to get them sent to myself, and file them away somewhere until I can figure out how to turn them off.

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cpilltoday at 9:24 PM

the point is that they are not mutually exclusive. you can have both. just don't put all your eggs in the corporate basket

rambambramtoday at 9:01 PM

> So no, there's no special value to having a website or syndicating across the web.

Please don't post sh1t like this as some expert conclusion. Young and gullible people might believe confident but wrong talk like this.

game_the0rytoday at 5:42 PM

> You need a push mechanism to reach readers.

Ghost blog includes newsletter for push.

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div3rs3today at 8:47 PM

You mention RSS, but Substack is about paid subscribers, is it not? What do you think converts a Substack user to a subscriber; is it just a numbers game?

clickety_clacktoday at 6:40 PM

The lift to make your own website is so low now, and the benefits of future-proofing are so great that it's just the right decision to make. You don’t even have to drive all your readers there, you’ll just have it available for everyone if the audience ever decides to gradually move on from substack (which seems to happen pretty much every social media platform).

ValdikSStoday at 6:18 PM

If you write news, posts that needs discussion, information that relatively quickly becomes obsolete, then probably yes, you won't want a website because few people will search for it deliberately.

But if you're writing for yourself, articles with multimedia, or want to use advanced features, no platform provides anything close to what you can do on your website.

Take a look at https://ciechanow.ski/bicycle/ for example.

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Topology1today at 5:32 PM

I feel like the transition from substack to website + newsletter wouldn't be terrible, although I'm sure your traffic would decrease after making the switch.

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tomberttoday at 6:40 PM

Agreed.

I have a blog, I don't really promote it, and no one reads it.

Now, there is an argument that there's nothing on my blog worth reading, and yeah there might be truth to that, but regardless my traffic is on the order like 100 unique views per month, and I don't know what percentage of that is just scraping bots.

I'm fine with this, I had no delusions of becoming a famous writer or making any money from it or anything, my blog is basically just a dumping ground for thoughts that I think are interesting, but if I actually did care about people visiting my blog I would probably use Substack or something similar.

f311atoday at 5:59 PM

> no one will visit your website.

Yep, let's suppose an average HN user reads 30-100 articles a month on independent websites (personal domains) posted on HN. Out of 100, he probably subscribes to 0-2 at best (via RSS/e-mail). Now, imagine how many times you need to appear on HN to get your own audience. There is too much friction for a user to subscribe.

Substack is similar to a social platform. People open it to read new articles in a similar way to HN, and they can subscribe to anyone by pressing a single button. There is a recommendation feed as well.

Since Google search for tech content is dead, getting views on independent blogs is extremely hard.

cosmicgadgettoday at 5:38 PM

I mean, can't you accomplish the same thing with "enter your email/social handle to be notified when I post something"?

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efilifetoday at 5:54 PM

It's addressed in the article

rusktoday at 5:34 PM

I actively skip stuff that’s on substack just like I do medium and blogger. Maybe there’s good stuff on there but it’s usually a by-word for slop. I figure if anyone has anything that interesting to say they’d make the effort and put it up on something more serious looking.

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BorisMelniktoday at 5:48 PM

this tide will turn, and the day of reckoning is coming for AI slop and large domains owning the search results. small publishers are going to have their time very soon.

dmitrygrtoday at 6:58 PM

> no one will visit your website. It's as simple as that.

I am not convinced. My traffic counter spins quite rapidly, and I only publish on http://dmitry.gr

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yrds96today at 5:39 PM

Fediverse. We need to push Fediverse