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olalondeyesterday at 12:29 PM5 repliesview on HN

He's correct though. You would need 3 extremely low probability events to all occur simultaneously for the concern to actually manifest.

1) Courts reverse their previous decisions and declare LLM generated code as belonging to LLM labs.

2) LLM labs decide to assert their copyright and sue open source projects.

3) They are able to prove that the code was generated by an LLM and not just any LLM but their LLM.


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tsimionescuyesterday at 12:58 PM

The concern related to copyright is not that the AI labs would assert copyright over the code produced by their LLMs - that is a complete strawman.

The concern instead is that LLMs and all of their outputs may be found to be derivative works of their entire training set, and thus rendered unusable (as the training set is not distirbutable under any license).

I think this ship has long sailed and no court is going to dare give such a decision given the money involved, for better or for worse. But it's a much more realistic scenario, in principle, than LLM labs going mad and attacking their own customers.

Edit to add: there is another, completely different, copyright risk associated with LLMs - and one that is much more realistic. It is the fact that code generated by LLMs may not, in fact, be copyrightable at all. Which would mean that it can't be subject to the GPL. As long as it remains a minority of GCC code, this wouldn't matter much, but it could in time lead to significant portions of GCC becoming public domain, and thus cooyable, modifiable, and redistrubutable without providing the four freedoms.

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luke5441yesterday at 12:53 PM

No?

1) Someone re-licenses GCC under a non-GPL license.

2) EFF sues them, to stop the behaviour

3) Court tells EFF that they have no standing to sue because LLM generated content has no copyright

Obviously this happening would be in the future after someone translated GCC to Rust with LLMs or something.

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Retr0idyesterday at 12:31 PM

Isn't there also a concern that an LLM may reproduce copyrighted code verbatim (or close enough), and the original author asserts their copyright?

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sodapopcanyesterday at 1:38 PM

> He's correct though.

He's correct but it's an irrelevant argument, he's simply making an emotional, and very childish, attack on someone because they don't like the tech he likes. Banning LLMs in your project, regardless of the reason, does not mean you think they are ever going to go away, or even that you want them to.

archagonyesterday at 10:22 PM

You think that not a single powerful country in the world will get enough pissed-off people in power to successfully sue LLM labs for (blatant and willful) copyright infringement? Especially if they succeed in decimating the job market?

How do you build a legally-sound product using an LLM that has been successfully sued for violating copyright in X countries around the world?