alt Hacker News> Instead, they go on a PR tour. Of course, the message is look what our product can do.
Literally nothing in this post comes across as bragging. A PR fluff piece would not call Claude "unsophisticated." PR fluff pieces do not admit to legal wrongdoing.
> Otherwise, they would have pushed for criminal charges against the people responsible for all of this by themselves. You do the crime, you do the time.
You want them... to put themselves in jail? I doubt you'd hold yourself to the same standard if you made a mistake.
> If your toddler just almost burned down the house, do you give him another set of matches and hope for the best?
> This is a good time to put one or two engineers behind bars
If an airplane manufacturer makes a dumb mistake, do you put their engineers in jail? No.
You do not understand the psychological dynamics at play here in the slightest. You aren't even trying to understand. If the government was anywhere close to this punitive with the AI companies, they would simply stop disclosing, the end. This was the result of a proactive investigation. Do you understand what happens in your universe? Those investigations don't even begin. If they somehow begin, the results are fudged.
This has been proven time and time again across every industry where safety is relevant. You do not have some special insight here that sufficiently challenges the lessons of history. Just a desire to see people burn.
> Literally nothing in this post comes across as bragging. A PR fluff piece would not call Claude "unsophisticated”. PR fluff pieces do not admit to legal wrongdoing.
I disagree. You’re just not the right audience to see it. But I think it’s totally fine that we have a different opinion here and I don’t want to convince you that I am right, and you’re wrong, because you are not wrong, you simply have a different perspective.
> You want them... to put themselves in jail? I doubt you'd hold yourself to the same standard if you made a mistake.
Yes, that’s what I expect from you if you play at that level, because that is the standard of responsibility you need to handle this kind of power.
And yes, I pretty much hold myself to the same standard because I have a zero CIVCAS track record from my time in the military and I had power over life and death every single day.
With great power comes great responsibility is not just a Spiderman quote. If you fuck up this royally, you have to look for something you are good at that allows you to be in stoner code bro mode all day long, but you don’t belong at the frontline.
> If an airplane manufacturer makes a dumb mistake, do you put their engineers in jail? No.
Yeah, they do. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna28276654 Headline could just as well be Bogus AI Engineer jailed over safety checks.
> You do not understand the psychological dynamics at play here in the slightest. You aren't even trying to understand. If the government was anywhere close to this punitive with the AI companies, they would simply stop disclosing, the end.
I think you don’t understand. All an engineer needs is a bit of sunlight, food, and a computer to work from. You don’t get to choose to stop disclosing if the military gets involved. You’re either doing what is asked of you or you are a national security risk. And you really don't want to be a national security risk.