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thebruce87myesterday at 9:06 PM6 repliesview on HN

Best charging experience and best software experience.

Note: I do not want this to be true. Other companies please copy what Tesla has done with both of these. You’ve had years to do this and failed.


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ezfeyesterday at 9:12 PM

> Best charging experience

This isn't accurate - they charge slower and Plug & Charge is common in many vehicles now, including with the Tesla network - whereas Teslas cannot Plug & Charge on other networks.

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pinkyboyyesterday at 9:37 PM

Charging experience? Teslas can't charge as fast as a modern Kia, Lucid, Geely, or BYD. They can't two-gun charge like a BYD. They don't have battery-swaps like NIO. They've got a single charge port in a back corner... very unclear what's best about them.

And as for software, on the infotainment side, AA/CP are great (but not available on Tesla), and people often like having _some_ physical controls, which goes against Musk's aggressive cost-cutting.

If by software you mean FSD (Supervised), I think essentially every major auto lane-keeping + adaptive cruise covers the key use case where FSD is useful: highway slogs.

For anybody who lives outside of the USA, the Chinese EVs are the obvious answer -- they've surpassed Tesla on essentially every dimension.

For people who live inside the USA the math is different, since the government is actively interfering with the free market to protect a critical donor.

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nielsbotyesterday at 9:13 PM

(In the US) I switched from Tesla to Rivian. Their approach seems to be “Tesla, but nicer”. They have a similar non-legacy automaker feel.

That said while I appreciate their design focus their software still feels not quite as polished as Tesla’s.

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Grombobulousyesterday at 9:21 PM

Not really true in Europe where charging is properly standardized.

“Best software” is subjective as well. Many car owners really don’t care for their software and just want to bypass the infotainment system for CarPlay and Android Auto.

slawyesterday at 9:37 PM

The best charging experience would be any of 10 BYD models with flash charging.

10% to 70%: 5 minutes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Flash_Charging

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the_gastropodyesterday at 9:16 PM

I'm an admitted Elon hater, so maybe that clouds my judgement. But I rented a Tesla 3 a few years back to try an EV before deciding to buy one. I ultimately went with a Chevy Bolt, and find the Apple Carplay to be far better than Tesla's proprietary system. The only thing I recall that Tesla did better was pre-conditioning the battery before planned charging--something Apple Carplay (at least its current version) lacks the API to handle.

As far as charging, I think that was the case even as recently as ~2 years ago. But today, the charging game is pretty decent for CCS cars. You can even charge at Tesla stations using an adapter.

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