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aetherspawnyesterday at 9:50 PM7 repliesview on HN

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD.

It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man.

Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs have addressed all the main product concerns, and the last ones are buyer stupidity.


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Grombobulousyesterday at 10:12 PM

I think this opinion fails to explain why Tesla is faltering so badly in China.

The products aren’t “done.” They’re stagnant.

Where is their proper 3 row SUV, not a hacked together half-effort like the YL?

Where is their passenger premium van product for China?

Remember that this is a company with a huge factory and presence in China, and they were the first mover in that market, but they’re getting eaten alive by competitors.

Meanwhile, in Europe, the Volkswagen Group is outselling Tesla in EVs. The #1 EV in Europe is a Skoda, and on top of that Tesla doesn’t make a European style city car. Small sedans like the Model 3 are really not popular in Europe, you need a hatch.

And I haven’t even brought up the Cybertruck selling a couple hundred thousand units below company expectations, that is kind of a low blow cherry on top.

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kccqzyyesterday at 10:09 PM

You think it’s done only because you are not ambitious enough. And neither is Tesla. A Hyundai charges faster than a Tesla. Chinese cars from several brands are getting five-minute charging times. If you think that’s a straw man I don’t know what to say; a buyer wants charging to be as fast as pumping gas, and are you going to blame buyer stupidity for not delivering on that?

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reverius42yesterday at 10:05 PM

I am very skeptical that your Model 3 has a "practical range" of 372 miles. EPA range for the long range model is 342 miles, and I would expect usable range to be considerably less (since you probably want to start charging at around 10% remaining, and you probably want to stop charging at 80-90%). 0% - 100% is kind of not "practical" as it would require you to fully deplete the battery, and then wait for the slow charging at the margins (90 to 100% tends to be pretty slow).

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medleryesterday at 10:11 PM

I’m convinced super-fast charging will be a game changer, because it will eliminate the ~only remaining downside to EVs. If Tesla had charging tech like BYD the market in the U.S. would look very different

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cadamsdotcomtoday at 12:45 AM

For me Tesla's brand is irreparably damaged.

That's worth accounting for - I'm likely not alone.

ben_wyesterday at 10:07 PM

Not everyone wants the same thing from a car. Some care most about the price, some about the efficiency, some about the size, some about the comfort, some about the charging speed despite what you say.

If Telsa were still innovating, they'd have rounded out their offerings to fill in the gaps that are now getting filled with other brands in the world outside the USA.

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asdffyesterday at 10:00 PM

I can’t own one because I can’t install a fast charger at my place.

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