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Strawtoday at 7:10 PM5 repliesview on HN

Why should they? If demand for X goes up, and price goes up, the whole point of the price system is to incentivize all users of X to use less and producers of X to make more.

Here's an example where the benefit is obvious:

Say I set up a desalination plant for a city with water shortages. I use a lot of electricity; this drives up electricity prices. But I also sell the more scarce water, lowering the price of water. If I make more selling the water, then to first order I'm helping people overall- they value the water more than the electricity. Perhaps I put other, less efficient desalination plants out of use, or simply other uses of electricity that people value less than the water I provide.


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stanfordkidtoday at 7:23 PM

Yeah, the issue with your example is that it's not a desalination plant serving local customers, but rather the entire world via a network. So rural customers have to pay for negative externalities that benefit others geographically distant from them. The benefit is not purely localized. Of course data centers bring jobs etc. I don't think we should ban them... but community level politics exist for a reason -- those that live in a geography should control the land surrounding them.

rybosworldtoday at 7:25 PM

> Why should they?

Because utilities are regulated monopolies that exist to benefit society. The companies building data-centers are well aware that the system isn't setup to handle a customer that suddenly doubles or triples the electric demand of a whole town over night. They are taking advantage of that until someone steps in.

jnwatsontoday at 7:43 PM

Electricity production isn't a free market in the vast majority of municipalities. Market systems only work when demand and supply are relatively unconstrained. In this case, supply is strongly constrained.

nancyminusonetoday at 7:49 PM

>they value the water more than the electricity

and yet I have a hard time believing they value the electricity less than the AI.

Let them drink tokens!

vrganjtoday at 7:34 PM

Because VCs are pumping fantasy money into the AI bubble and their data centers are pricing regular people out of daily neccessities?

The market isn't some magic tool to get optimal results. It's a way for capital to self-reproduce, not more, not less.