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lbrinertoday at 12:40 PM3 repliesview on HN

This was the partial cause of Air France 447.

Pilots were so used to "the plane won't make a mistake" that they were not aware/not trained properly about things that are nothing to do with the FMS like frozen pitot tubes and also that the autopilot has a number of "modes" which mean you need to go back to basics like altitude, attitude and air speed.


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michaelttoday at 8:20 PM

> Pilots were so used to "the plane won't make a mistake" that they were not aware

Of course there have also been crashes where pilots wrongly dismissed sensor data.

In the Kegworth air disaster [1] the pilots had sensor data telling them the left-hand engine was at fault - but a previous model of the plane had a reputation for unreliability in that sensor, and the pilots shut down the right-hand engine on the basis of other evidence.

So we don't want pilots blindly trusting broken sensors - but we also don't want them to dismiss working sensors as broken.

[1] https://www.faa.gov/lessons_learned/transport_airplane/accid...

AdamNtoday at 1:29 PM

They didn't know their air speed (because of the pitot tubes being frozen). I think the report says that there was a path to safety if they had kept focused but it wasn't as easy as just flying the plane via 'the basics'.

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p-e-wtoday at 1:28 PM

If it’s true that other navigation systems are as safe and capable as GPS, then GPS navigation should be randomly disabled in every aircraft occasionally to ensure that pilots remain fluent in using them.

If it isn’t true, then the military is partially responsible for the crash of this aircraft.

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