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picofaradyesterday at 8:10 PM11 repliesview on HN

36 million CSAM media removed in 2025? Why aren't millions of people in jail? Wtf?


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taurathyesterday at 8:29 PM

That's a really common reaction to people first hearing about the delta between how society talks about the subject vs what they actually do about it. Its a bit like the fiction of the social safety net or strong institutions.

The truth is impunity is the rule, victims especially of CSA and CSAM, or revenge porn, or of Mark or Musk's companies generating naked images of their body have basically no power, and its an exception when someone who is an abuser AND has any amount of social standing is put away.

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john_strinlaiyesterday at 8:17 PM

it can take awhile for things to work their way from NCMEC (national center for missing & exploited children) to the appropriate local agency, then have that agency do their investigation, get a warrant (if they can), etc. and that is assuming that there is even a cooperative jurisdiction for NCMEC to send the initial report to.

but, plenty of people do end up in prison, especially if its facebook/dropbox/gmail/etc... they just dont make the headlines (especially nationally) unless its especially heinous.

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_trampeltieryesterday at 9:11 PM

In most western countrys, is often more than 50% from CSAM from underaged teenagers, like selfies etc. And then are cases like some overmotivated parents post nude baby pictures. I guess such pictures also get flaged. But even if its just 50%, 18 million, your point still standes. Why are not more people in jail.

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commandlinefanyesterday at 9:34 PM

Well, 36 million images doesn't necessary imply 36 million people (in fact, it could possibly just imply 36...)

bothersyesterday at 9:23 PM

Does their definition of CSAM exclude material that's not unlawful in the US? People can be (let's say) tactical about its inclusion from case to case. But I can't say if it's the case here, nor how much it explains the 36 million not explained by other better replies.

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ceejayozyesterday at 8:14 PM

VPNs, hacked accounts, no jurisdiction, etc., I'd presume.

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tcfhgjyesterday at 9:28 PM

media without abuse is labelled csam

ls612yesterday at 9:01 PM

Because the overwhelming majority of these reports are for teens sexting each other.

chrisjjyesterday at 9:40 PM

> 36 million CSAM media removed in 2025?

No, not at all.

"removing over 36 million pieces of child sexual exploitation content last year"

Not CSAM.

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croesyesterday at 9:10 PM

Bots, good luck finding the people responsible for them.

Also how much of the child exploitation material was created by the children themselves?

Teenagers who send each other nude photos are creating child exploitation material but you hardly want to put them jail for that.

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an0malousyesterday at 8:53 PM

Because then half the world leaders would be in jail and the other half would lose their excuse for building mass surveillance systems