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sys32768yesterday at 3:29 PM7 repliesview on HN

#4 "Maintain Manners" is hardly simple.


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PaulRobinsonyesterday at 4:03 PM

It needs critical mass, but then it cascades.

If you read through the description, what they talk about is that the culture is built around the idea of the individual being part of something bigger, and that consideration and respect for that something bigger (other people), is core to your own identity.

That's not hard for a lot of cultures, but it's almost impossible for most cultures in the Western hemisphere, and to change it would require a cultural reset that would run against the grain of many things that make those cultures what they are.

If it were possible though - and there are times when certain subcultures had standards of etiquette different to those widely accepted today in the West - it wouldn't need 100% of people to "sign up", just enough to make it ostracising to not conform. And then the outliers would conform.

We do this already: it's OK (albeit illegal), to cycle through a red light where I live, because lots of people do it, but if you were to try and get served ahead of your turn in a pub, you might get into an argument, because nobody does that without expecting a problem.

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billforyesterday at 4:27 PM

That's the key one -- it should be first and maybe the only one on the list. Japan is mono-culture and high-trust. They are all on the same page. You can't replicate that in western cities any more, such as the US or Europe. In some ways it's at odds with the idea of globalization and multiculturalism.

bryanlarsenyesterday at 3:33 PM

simple and easy aren't synonyms. It's a simple rule, but very difficult to implement.

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EbNaryesterday at 3:38 PM

In some places it is something sadly absent or overlooked...

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everdriveyesterday at 4:11 PM

It's been done before, and continues to be done in some places. It requires high group trust, and a strong group identity.

bpodgurskyyesterday at 3:40 PM

It's simple if your city is full of Japanese people.

cm11yesterday at 3:51 PM

I don’t know. I, the individual, can maintain a lot of manners fairly simply if I really wanted to.

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