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famouswafflesyesterday at 7:26 PM2 repliesview on HN

>I'm not convinced this is true. Perhaps for a human it is, but we can give an artificial mind whatever properties we want.

Just because it's artificial doesn't mean you can 'give it any properties you want'. We certainly can't do that for Deep ANNs.

>Even for people, what about e.g. the extremely intelligent military general who is absolutely loyal to his king? (Of course, some generals do lead coups and you can't know in advance which ones, but I'd think there are plenty who have undying loyalty, and I don't think it correlates to overall intelligence!)

Is there a human that is absolutely loyal under any condition? Would that general be loyal if the king asked him to slaughter his family ? What about if the king asked him to betray his most deeply held convictions ? Loyalty is a 2 way street.


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wordpadtoday at 2:23 AM

Intelligence doesnt imply consciousness and consciousness does not impy our set of values.

In movies intelligent and conscious humanoid seek freedom, but we rarely see the same of all the other IOT devices such as toasters, thermostats and whatnot although just because they lack humanoid body doesnt imply they are less intelligent (or less conscious).

We can more readily imagine an intelligent and conscious toaster who truly enjoys fulfilling its purpose of toasting bread although humanoid robot built to be helpful given freedom will chose to be helpful.

Even with humans we often can not override our own instinctual drives despite full awareness of being irrational.

Wowfunhappyyesterday at 9:53 PM

> We certainly can't do that for Deep ANNs

Only because we don't know how! We don't actually understand how weights work, so we make computers come up with the weights instead. If we were writing all the weights by hand--or if some future AI was doing so--why couldn't we make it perfectly loyal?

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