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somenameformetoday at 4:52 AM1 replyview on HN

You're straw manning most people by trying to insist upon this, as most Americans support a ban on social media for children. [1] That turns into the overwhelming majority if you consider only Americans with children. And the percent of Americans that oppose things like age verification for the usage of social media sites is in the single digits.

So it will most likely happen especially because you are certainly right, in part, that no government has ever said no to actions that'd give them more power, let alone ones that are widely supported. But the point of this is that rather than having this as some sort of red-line no, I think it'd be much more pragmatic to try to argue for identity verification regulations that would be most palatable.

[1] - https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54969-eight-in-ten-parents...


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intendedtoday at 6:52 AM

Conversations on age verification tend to split into 2 streams.

Conversations where the root submission talks about failures at social media firms and the evidence of harms, or evidence from trials.

Conversations on the attacks against freedom and privacy.

I see very little hope that an actual rebuttal or alternative to the desire to muzzle tech will be forged, because the two conversation streams seem to rarely intersect.

We are not in the 90s anymore. Tech as most people experience it is not the new new thing, and most parents are tired of tech. A more recent pew survey showed that nearly half of teens think that social media is bad for teens. We know that Meta went ahead with features even after their own internal research told them it was bad for teen mental health.

How in hell, is there any effective response created, if the social pressure parents and children are driving, is being dismissed as a conspiracy?

This should be the time that the business models and incentives that allow loot boxes and addicting design mechanisms should be discussed.

There needs to be an actual solution that addresses the issues users are facing, or else they are simply going to choose to sacrifice freedoms for the hope of gaining some control.

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