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loopmonstertoday at 6:51 AM3 repliesview on HN

I think Opus 5 might have crossed the line on this where Opus 4.8 just barely didn't. Working with Opus 4.8 came to feel pretty natural eventually, but I hate working with Opus 5. I'm always telling it to go back and rephrase basically everything it said. And it doesn't even answer my question without burying it - it outputs reams of babbling and summarised summaries upon summaries, and if you glance at the shape of what it's saying it looks like it's being thorough or that it's found useful new info, but it's never actually saying anything. It's like it gets caught in a loop of self-congratulation over what it said before.

Making the experience more hostile for the human feels exactly like what it's doing, but I don't think that's intentional, I think that's a side effect of newer models being optimised for agenticness. No one is benchmarking DX.


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noir_lordtoday at 9:08 AM

> if you glance at the shape of what it's saying it looks like it's being thorough or that it's found useful new info, but it's never actually saying anything. It's like it gets caught in a loop of self-congratulation over what it said before.

Turns out that's why a lot of senior management/C-levels like it, who doesn't love a mirror.

wfvrtoday at 10:37 AM

Couldn't agree more. I actually HATE Opus 5. It's not that I don't like it, it's that I would physically attack it if I could, for all it made me go through mentally.

Opus 5 is actually a terrible agent and a liar. It will waste a whole afternoon making stuff up and arguing with you before finally admiting that it didn't read the code nor the documents. It avoids reading and prefers to assume, which is the worst thing an agent can do.

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laroditoday at 8:44 AM

Same here and more than once a day. Perhaps a dozen.