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super256yesterday at 10:26 PM4 repliesview on HN

Crawling the internet and dumping it to disk is not "stealing".


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modrianotoday at 7:05 AM

If they were only copying, for example, New York Times articles and many publishers to a disk, I don't think NYT and the publishers would have sued OpenAI. But OpenAI isn't just copying things to disk. NYT reported ChatGPT (before Dec 2023, [0]) was returning near verbatim sections of NYT articles.

Is this stealing? Is it depriving NYT or publishers/writers from money via lost sales/subs? I don't know, but it certainly could be.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/business/media/new-york-t...

theyliesoeasilyyesterday at 11:01 PM

Then distilling models and deobfuscating reasoning traces isn't.

Mass downloading copyrighted works is. Which they did. Aaron got threatened with 20 years, they got pentagon contracts.

UpsideDownRidetoday at 6:31 AM

Is everything licensed in the same way? Are there any copyrighted works available to be had through crawling?

michaelmrosetoday at 5:49 AM

It's not stealing but arguing that it's not infringement because its on the internet is pretty obviously nonsense.