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ashdksnndcktoday at 2:31 AM5 repliesview on HN

Suppose you hired a consulting firm to write a report, and they delivered the report but not the internal conversations they had when developing it. You exploit a vulnerability in their phone system to get those conversations. You can argue over semantics of whether “theft” is what you did, maybe the right word is “espionage” or “spying”, but that either way we probably agree you are guilty of something? Paying for the final product didn’t entitle you to see how it was made, unless that was part of the agreement.

Anyway, you can distinguish this from the debate over copyright.


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nathanwhtoday at 3:20 AM

I think a more fair comparison would be that you hired a consulting firm to create a report and give you a summary of it, but you’re charged for the report itself separately from the summary, and you are not allowed to access the unsummarized report.

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wasfgwptoday at 6:55 AM

But they did deliver the internal notes, just told you to not look at them. Also the analogy doesn’t make a lot of sense to me since humans (or companies paying them) own the content they produce. Based on current precedent Anthropic doesn’t have any more rights to the LLM outputs produced by your inputs than you.

Whether that violates the ToS is another matter Anthropic is of course free to sue for damages or stop doing business with you.

lbreakjaitoday at 7:33 AM

You paid the consulting firm for the outcome. If they sent you a bill for every piece of research they wrote down to get to the report, you bet I would want to see exactly what's inside and what I paid for.

mlazostoday at 4:52 AM

Except you paid for the words of the conversation..

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amazingmantoday at 3:51 AM

Except in this case the report is giving you conclusions while withholding the data and reasoning process that lead to those conclusions.

Alternatively, I paid for the tokens therefore I should have access to them. If the vendor wants to artificially hide them from me, I'll just find another way to access them.