alt Hacker NewsChoose Boring Technology (2015)
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> Let’s say every company gets about three innovation tokens. You can spend these however you want, but the supply is fixed for a long while.
This is one of my favorite blog posts, and it can basically be encapsulated in the idea of "innovation tokens." It is one of the most useful concepts I have had as a PM / eng leader in my career. It helps actually make the the right tradeoffs, and helps even more in explaining those tradeoffs to colleague of all levels. Highly recommend.
I'll push back against this, despite it being so popular. I dislike the arbitrary "innovation tokens" and I think this entire concept really blurs the lines and feels sort of unserious.
Engineers should understand requirements, risks, tradeoffs, and potential gains. New technology may be right for that. Novel approaches may be right for that. "Novel" or "New" are only proxies and they're weak.
For example, I may think "New" means untested, but is that true? What if a new project has Jepsen testing, a fuzzing suite, massive compute running tons of oracle tests, etc? I should just say "Choose well tested" instead of "Choose old" - lots of old software is very poorly tested.
Maybe I think that "Old" implies better documentation, but does it? Lots of older projects have insane cruft and weird edge cases that are undocumented and accumulated over years.
Why do we need a metaphor? Why is "innovation token" helpful?
If you're incapable of evaluating a technology in terms of these properties, you aren't a serious developer and "boring" will not save you.
Sit down, write our your requirements, determine candidate solutions, and choose them based on their fit. "Boring" means nothing, it's a vague proxy term. "Well tsted", "performant for our use case", "developers know it", etc mean something.
> MySQL is boring. Postgres is boring. PHP is boring. Python is boring. Memcached is boring. Squid is boring. Cron is boring.
Literally every one of these has caused hilarious and disastrous failures for me in my career. But yep, boring.
> If you choose to write your website in NodeJS, you just spent one of your innovation tokens. If you choose to use MongoDB, you just spent one of your innovation tokens.
What if you know NodeJS really well? Or MongoDb? What if you have empirical, verifiable reasons for why they fit better?
I'm a bit tired of "simple" and "boring" and other nonsense words in this field taking up the air in the room that should be spent evaluating solutions on their actual merits.
Some of this may have been a reaction to the era of Javascript framework churn. There were way too many different technologies for doing roughly the same job. They all more or less worked.
On the other hand, IBM was late getting into integrated circuits. They had Solid Logic Technology, automated machinery for putting transistors into ceramic substrates to make tiny but discrete circuits. That's what powered the IBM System/360. Worked, but kept mainframe prices high and made IBM late to minicomputers.
Innovation when the problem is hard is more interesting. Look at the history of US long range bombers. The B-29 was effective, but underpowered, and had a lot of trouble getting off the ground fully loaded. So, after WWII, the next development was the B-36, which answered the question "what if we scaled up the B-29?"[1] Six propellers, and four jet engines (added late in the design cycle). Was a sky barge, but it worked, as long as no one was trying hard to shoot it down. No flyable aircraft remain. That was the boring technology approach.
After that came the B-47, which answered the question "what if we scaled up a jet fighter to bomber size?"[2] The B-47 was all jets, no props. It needed solid-fuel rocket boosters (!) to help it get off the ground, and a drag chute to slow it down on landing. It was terrible to fly; its operating speed and altitude were too near the "coffin corner" where stall and Mach buffet meet.[3] No flyable aircraft remain.
Then came the B-52. New engines. New airframe. New design. [4] That's the high-risk approach. It worked. Hundreds are still in active service. Outlasted most of its successors, the B-58 Hustler (a supersonic intercontinental bomber), the B-70, the F-111, etc.
On the commercial side, we have Boeing, whose most successful airliner is a variant of the B-737, which first flew in 1967. But that's another story.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKQYG_fA2uM
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1-urTRxeEM
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffin_corner_%28aerodynamics%...
I wonder how much of this universal lesson will be rehashed to fit the aftermath of what's currently going on with vibe coding etc.
I think it's pretty likely that in, let's just go for the round number and say 80% of cases, everyone will conclude that just existing well used frameworks / code generator templates where everything's understood and most of the hot paths are well tested is pretty fast to build with (and more importantly, maintain and operate) and was really all we needed for most useful business software.
I love this post. It’s also interesting to revisit in the age of agents.
Using the language of the article, I’d say “push all your innovation tokens into agents” is probably a good move. This means the tech your agents work with should all be boring tech.
Another way of saying this is “use in-distribution technology”. If agents are substantially better at Rust than Zig, probably you should use Rust, even if Zig is “better”. The amount that Zig is better is going to get swamped by the amount that in-distribution agents are better.
(This is not a claim that Rust actually is better, just a hypothetical fact pattern for discussion.)
This is one of my favourite blogposts and then presentations https://boringtechnology.club/... Back when it first came out, everyone was rushing to build microservices and shun practiced technologies, systems and software architectures, in search of some shortcut to software and systems utopia.
It was fairly obvious it wasn't going to deliver, but usually newer and more inexperienced engineers were extremely enthusiastic and would build the ultimate mess. This was a refreshing blog and presentation that provided a way to communicate to people boring is better, and to ship product.
Well, I've not tried to publish this on HN so far, but I guess given such a counterpoint, I should at least attempt to share: https://www.iankduncan.com/engineering/2026-08-07-getting-fr...
Regarding "Optimize Globally"
At my current job we generally use LINQpad for scripting, and have a lot of tests that use LINQPad scripts.
When I joined, there was a test that relied on an "R" script. Now, "R" might be the best tool for the job, but no one running the test would ever have any "R" experience. In addition, the environment to run "R" has quite the learning curve.
I ported the script to LINQPad. The fact that no one needs to install "R" or figure out how to run "R" is a much more massive timesaver than the fact that "R" was technically better for that one task. (And the script itself is pretty straightforward.)
I wish there was a jobs board for companies that are somehow vetted for this type of engineering culture.
So many jobs are sold as “we’re pragmatist's” and when you show up there’s 5 devs, 50 repos and most of the work is discussing if x requirement should be a new micro service. The product is usually an web app with 10 entities and and an API.
Suppose it’s keeping people in jobs
Golang was supposed to be boring by design (https://go.dev/talks/2012/splash.article) and you can use it in a boring way. Even learning golang is relatively boring.
Love this post. Surprisingly controversial; it hasn't made me very many engineering friends.
This advice holds up, but there are caveats to keep in mind. Two off the top of my head:
1. I once worked for a company that had a large Cassandra cluster that was primarily serving the role of a distributed append-only log. This role is as perfect a fit for Cassandra as I can imagine. When we needed a distributed database for authentication, we decided to use Cassandra for it since we had in-house expertise (it was "boring technology") and a cluster we could piggy-back on for a while. When we needed a distributed database for a key-value service, we used the same reasoning and chose Cassandra again. There were many problems with Cassandra that I won't go into, but I will say that straying too far from Cassandra's comfort zone stretched it to a breaking point. And we had some downtime and rough nights because of it. Sometimes boring technology isn't enough, you also need boring workloads for it.
2. I was an early adopter for Rust. Before 1.0, it wasn't clear to most people whether the language would mount to anything. To me, I saw a formal proof assistant being put into programmer's hands and could tell right away it had a bright future. Rust was not a boring technology back then. You might say it is now (for some use cases). Adopting shiny new technologies that measurably improve confidence is not a risk. What's foolish is getting comfortable and complacent with familiar, aka boring, technologies that are difficult to use correctly.
Software that works year-after-year has never been a commodity. It's boring on the surface. It doesn't get the flashy posts. But I'll choose reliable over new in almost all cases.
I have the similar opinions:
We need to remember that the purpose of using tools is to solve specific problems and achieve goals. Having no tools, too few tools, or too many tools can all hinder the achievement of those goals. We only need to select a few useful, universal, and widely applicable tools. Unless there are necessary and sufficient reasons, we shouldn't easily switch to new tools.
For the tools we choose, one must become truly familiar with and proficient in their use, continuously customize, modify, and improve them, and strive to use them to the fullest extent, thereby significantly improving efficiency and productivity, and solving practical problems and achieving goals faster and better.
This is a great article, I feel like I think of this a lot when I build something new.
The tricky bit I think though, is deciding what actually is boring, since really we should factor complexity in too.
I work a lot with data in python, for in memory data, the most popular choices are:
- pandas - pyspark - polars
Pandas is the most established, although has a lot of technical limitations, as well as complexities.
Pyspark is definitely an "industry standard" choice, but now you're dealing with distributed computing when you probably didn't need too.
Polars is the simplest in terms of API and not being distributed, but then is the newest.
I can easily imagine a discussion where three engineers all agree that they should choose the "most boring" tech, but all choose a different option.
https://grugbrain.dev/ Similar on this topic
In hindsight I disagree.
Instead I like “only work on impossible problems”
Most of them turn out to be impossible, but some of them turn out to be possible.
I’ve never met anyone who could pick 3 and be confident in getting even one right. Tokens are a terrible analogy for innovation or research.
In hindsight I’ve had to sift through hundreds or more to fine one that worked.
I thought this post was helpful when I first started thinking about startups.
After more time, I think boring tech isn’t worth thinking about.
Counter-position: "choose most appropriate technology".
Not to bring LLMs into everything but I think they make using boring stuff more likely. Since training data contains a lot of it and less of the shiny new stuff.
nawh. 50x node modules, typescript out the wazoo, all the state in the client (where you can't see it in prod), the most over-complicated UI, paired with async callback spaghetti is what you do these days.
We're "scalable" over here. It's a sexy problem to have.
Can confirm. Use boring, proven tech at work. Experiment at home, on your own time. Using 'exciting' and new tech is fun but brings risks that are often unacceptable. If the tech dies, you have just created a pile of debt for your business, and potentially years of difficult maintenance and possibly a rewrite ahead. Don't.
The title reminds me of Gunpei Yokoi, the original genius designer at Nintendo, whose philosophy was: lateral thinking, with old technology
Boring technology is great for making things in certain niches. This argument gets used a lot to encourage Java for every purpose, which comes from a myopic view of the landscape of languages. Advocates of many languages use the "least effort with biggest result" claim, and it's out of ignorance.
I read a similar blog post years ago about restricting the technologies you use, and making do with a slightly worse option if it means reusing the stack you already have.
The example they gave was something like they wanted to use rabbitmq for a new side project (I might be misremembering) but they were forced to make it work with redis instead. The author said that years later he found out that that side project had exploded in popularity and it had coped with it fine because the infra team were already handling the stack and it wasn't some snowflake deployment.
Does anyone remember the post I'm talking about?
Does nobody ever think of trying more than one technology? It’s like people buying a car based on what everyone else is driving rather than actually driving different cars.
I remember reading this back in 2015, but how is this not just the age old conservative (don't do more than needed) vs progressives (lets try some new risk things) debate? As much as I can relate to a more conservative choice when choosing tech that might power a giant consumer company, sometimes using riskier tech in a startup makes more sense to get the real innovation flowing... and the idea of "Choose New Technology, Sometimes" just feels like a little cheat to get away from the bigger issue with the overall thesis. In this way, the idea in this blog just feels so out of touch.
Excellent post. Now, somewhat outdated, and in other ways, more relevant than ever. To whom it may concern: if you need a database, always choose postgresql.
One theory these days might be that old, boring technology is better represented in the training data for AI models...
Think inside the box!
Sadly, that is real out-of-the-box thinking.
This is a generalization.
And generalizations in software development are always wrong.
PHP is boring - but it works.
i just did an AI hackathon and 90% of the submissions were written in TypeScript and Next.js which is mostly due to the training data. AI is skewed to use these tools by default vs the best for the job.
The problem with this is that the list of tech that gets boring changes all time, faster than people's opinions. Kubernetes is very boring tech, but if you go through the old discussion threads on this (even from the last year or two), Kubernetes is still cited as some brand new wizbang thing you shouldn't spend tokens on.
Now boring tech is what is well known by the LLM (Python, typscript, etc.).
This isn't new.
This should not be new.
Make your shit work. Make it work well. Don't fuck with a thing that's working as desired.
In this way, you'll make everyone's lives at least a little easier.
This should be a mandatory teaching to anyone who wants to use the moniker of "engineer".
aged well
The "content not viewable in your region" images really sets the tone.
This is a stupid single minded philosophy. What if the new non-boring technology has an exclusive feature you need? What if it's genuinely better?
It's a case by case basis. I wonder why people try to encapsulate these things into "philosophies" that are simple minded and stereotypical.
Choose what's better. That's not always necessarily boring technology. Sometimes it is... sometimes it isn't.
This blog post annoys me a little. Not the post itself - it’s great - but how it has been used to prop up thousands of lazy arguments against innovations over the years.
Go hard boring on 80% of what you do. Go hard exciting on the 20% else.
Don't let one affect the other.
imo only webdevs would ever need to say something like this.. It seemed to me that webdev was so trivial that webdevs became eccentrics and invented all sorts of wacky frameworks and languages just to make their work challenging and interesting.
now 11y later i wonder if 'node.js' still needs an innovation token or not
A problem shared is a problem halved.
Lol. In 2015 boring technology is at the hands of your PM spinning up some agent spam. Bury this pile of outdated thinking. Go hard at the most difficult programming you can find or go home.
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2 bare-metals with Linux, Postgres, HAProxy and PHP (or Python/Django) work perfectly fine for 99% of apps that businesses need. This will run with 99.99% uptime, 4-hour warranty from Dell/HPE (failover to the other server). Is also somewhat vertically scalable (upgrade RAM/SSD). Kids who finish high school can be taught to own and run this.
But .... if you run a multi cloud hybrid setup with kubernetes, service mesh, data [lake|pond|ocean] and millions of other fancy words in tech at each and every layer, you resume would look so awesome and you sound wicked smart. And the VP gets 600M budget for AWS and 600 developers, SREs, DevOps, PMO. It is not that things won't run, humans have perverse incentives.
I'm certain a lot of porn/adult industry run their setup like I mentioned with a Romanian dude running the entire infrastructure for $15K - $20K.