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algoth1today at 10:38 AM2 repliesview on HN

From the little i understand that wouldnt be an issue because the model is ‘just’ using interchangeable words in a mathematical non-random way. Like using the same number of adjectives and the exct same words, but in a order that wouldn’t be mathematically plausible unless it was the watermark


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demibabstoday at 10:46 AM

I wouldn’t exactly put it like that. It’s moreso the model sometimes outputting non-optimal tokens in a way that’s detectable if you know the algorithm.

It seems possible for that to make the response “drift” far from what it would’ve been, because it’s constant entropy that adds up after time.

(However, according to Anthropic and Google, it doesn’t really impact the quality of responses. I find that a bit hard to believe, although those guys are much smarter than I.)

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samrustoday at 1:08 PM

But its not just swapping the words out post hoc is it. LLMs are autoregressive, so weird word choice before would influence the probability distribution of all future tokens.

I feel like they thought it wouldnt be that bad, or it was a worthwhile tradeoff, but im getting the feeling it might be contributing heavily to opus5's uncanny communication style

As for the verbosity, my conspiracy theory is that they are token maxxing to hack revenue/enshitify the product in prep for their IPO