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Liftyeetoday at 10:47 AM4 repliesview on HN

I don't get everyone's complaints about the interface. I've been using it for years, once you learn where things are I can get what I need done. The learning curve (finding where functions are, the right tools for each job, etc.) wasn't much different from other software like Blender or Darktable (or even Davinci Resolve).

The panels concept might be the most intuitive part of it, but Blender also has different panels and modes. And the tools being combined into few buttons is similar to CAD programs I've used.

Anyone enlighten me on actual usability problems (and not pedantry like "the spacing of these buttons is uneven"?) Perhaps I've gotten used to using unintuitive software.


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barrkeltoday at 10:52 AM

Export and Save As should be the same menu item with an option in the dialog.

There are many many more but start with the app having the overbearing assumption that it thinks you want save to its file format rather than make an ad hoc edit.

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Joeboytoday at 11:15 AM

I'm a fairly casual / infrequent user, but they've already addressed most of the things I found infuriating in the past.

The big remaining thing I can think of is the "layer boundary" thing, which (it seems to me) is very confusing for new users and inconvenient for all users.

I also have a vibes-based feeling that when I used to use Photoshop twenty-five years ago I was a lot more productive than I'm able to be in GIMP, but I can't be sure if that's just because I used to do more graphic stuff back then and I've never picked it up to the same degree. I find myself having to hunt for things in menus a lot, but that might be a me problem. Photoshop also took a while to get used to.

Edit: I basically agree with the people complaining about Save and Export being unexpectedly separate, although I also think it's not that hard to press Ctrl+E instead of Ctrl+S.

amiga386today at 11:07 AM

For decades, the tools panels floated separately from the image window, and the authors resolutely refused to put them in a single window.

Then one day, they did it. They put the tools on the same window as the image, as Deluxe Paint did in 1985. FINALLY.

... but at the same time, they introduced the absolute bollocks that is "if you hit save we're going to spam you indefinitely into using our format".

In any other tool, if you _open_ a file (e.g. a PNG, JPEG, or in say LibreOffice's case, a CSV or XLSX), and then hit "save", it can nag you once that you're not using the tool's preferred file format, and _may_ be missing some important feature that only its preferred format supports... but you should just be able to click "fuck that, save it as the format I loaded it as" and not hear that again.

Not GIMP. It fucking well refuses to let you save as the format you opened. You have to cancel your "save" of the file you opened, and instead "export" to the file you opened... at which point it warns you you'll overwrite THE FILE YOU WANT TO SAVE. And after you've done that, and try to close the image, it'll warn you you haven't saved THE FUCKING FILE IT JUST FORCED YOU TO USE "EXPORT" TO SAVE because you didn't save it in its preferred format ABSOLUTELY GO FUCK YOURSELF, GIMP, I AM NOT GOING TO SAVE AS XCF A JPEG I AM CROPPING AND WILL NEVER EVER EDIT AGAIN

This is why I completely gave up on GIMP and will never open it again. I would like to line up all the GIMP authors in a row, and run down the line slapping them all in the face with a wet trout.

If anyone from GIMP is listening:

    * User opens a non-native format, e.g. JPEG
    * User hits "Save"
    * Present user with a dialog like so:
        This image may contain content that cannot be saved in the currently selected file format "JPEG"
        Use the default XCF file format to be sure the image is saved correctly
        [x] Ask when not saving in XCF or default format
        [Use JPEG format] [Use XCF format]
    * User can turn off this nag globally by deselecting "Ask when not saving in XCF or default format"
    * If user selects "Use JPEG format", future saves of this file will not nag again
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bobspoogeragitoday at 11:15 AM

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