Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

Specific devices:

>At the time of writing, within ~12 months, in 2027, the 2027 Signature, Razr fold, and Razr flip will meet the hardware security requirements and should have official GrapheneOS support. Motorola is currently porting GrapheneOS to their devices.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49038982

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

A year ago or so, the ThinkPhone 23 (Snapdragon 8, 2023, a weird "flagship") was available for 229€ new on various retail stores. The phone also supports Mobian/PostmarketOS and the bootloader is unlockable with no adverse effects.

Out of nowhere, it received (along with other older phones) updates up to Android 16.

I wouldn't be surprised if the "sudden" update was just a side effect of Motorola preparing for Graphene to be released on these older phones.

I bought the Moto signature a month ago , I already assumed it prolly won't support graphene, since some of the previous replies on X indicate that the graphene team requires full hardware compliance with their requirements, and the Signature apparently is not compliant yet.

Anyway I ended up buying a really good smartphone.. just not a graphene supported haha :(

Also this is really great collab from moto & graphene as more vendors will officially recognize Graphene as legit OS (legel/OEM is different concept). I heard month ago Volkswagen banned graphene, hopefully we we will see moving things in opposite direction...

I was hoping for Fairphone support but they said it's not happening.

> Fairphones lack the updates and hardware-based security features expected by GrapheneOS.

https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2089937246619128257

I just wonder how they handle full Google's certification for hardware integrity + Google Play Store with GrapheneOS. They contradict on this part on the normal GrapheneOS mod and I don't see a way how they will not on Motorola phones.

Banking apps (e.g. Revolut) block GrapheneOS actively and many other apps too.

But it will be interesting times once they are out!

This is very exciting. I have been an iPhone user for the last 8 years. I am entirely in Apple's ecosystem.

I would legitimately change my phone (+watch +headphones) for a vertical foldable (like razr) phone running graphene OS. I don't think Apple is releasing a vertical foldable or even a modern smaller phone. One can only hope.

I get that you don't like Twitter/Facebook/Reddit or whatever, but a clear solution to this problem is to hurt googles public image as much as you can and for that you need a platform with as large of a reach as possible.

edit: they have X but didn't post it there https://x.com/GrapheneOS

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Looking forward to this! Google is not competent enough to sell Pixels worldwide, it's a pain in the ass to buy one!

I am beyond excited about this! Very cool.

When Google acquired motorola, I was excited at the possibilities. When they sold Motorola off, I thought it a deeply unfortunate move.

With this announcement though, I am now seeing it in a very positive light. Given Google's current position, if they still owned Motorola I can't see this sort of collaboration with grapheneos ever happening.

Major kudos to the graphenos team! This is a huge milestone, a huge accomplishment, and a real world validation of the incredible work that you are doing. Thank you so much for everything you have done

Anyone has any idea if this changes current situation with nfc payments? Currently many banking apps do not work, and google pay is just unavailable, to my understanding it was related to secure chip on phone - as graphene wasnt "stocked" android os approved by google, i dearly hope this chnages with motorola

  "The initial devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027. The initial devices will be flagships so they'll be higher end hardware than Pixels at a higher price. Lower end devices will take more time to meet our requirements since the updates and security features aren't as good. It's mostly due to how Qualcomm handles it. The latest Snapdragon flagships have the best security features. We'll also need Motorola to start paying them for longer updates below flagships."

Are there banking customers in Europe who do not use mobile banking apps

Are there European countries that actually force, cf. coerce, banking customers to purchase mobile phones and run corporate mobile operating systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_mobile_ba...

https://sqmagazine.co.uk/mobile-banking-statistics/

One approach is to use one phone (A) for banking and other commercial transactions and use another phone (B) for everything else, e.g., personal communication with friends, family, etc.

Phone A can run corporate mobile OS

Phone B can run alternative OS

Arguably, the data collection, surveillance and advertising exposure when using phone A is tolerable if that phone is only used for banking and commerce

The problem arises when someone tries to use a single phone for every general computing purpose

If that phone is running a corporate mobile OS, then that may expose the owner to an excessive amount of data collection, surveillance and, potentially, ads

Did they solve widevine, hardware attestation and play integrity to deal with banks?

What security feature is the 2026 Motorola Signature missing?

I would love to have more vendor supporting GrapheneOS. I doubt that it will happen though as vendors would prefer to have control over the experience.

Stoked to soon be able to give these people money. The moment there's a device available I'll be checking closely to see if it meets my requirements.

Thanks to everyone who worked so hard to get here.

Let me know when you're trying to eliminate having a Google or Apple account to do anything instead of making it less intolerable/invasive to have one.

I'm surprised it took them that long. I always found it odd that they would support Google phones only.

I’ll be surprised if devices ship after December 26, 2027

I wonder if this could enable a samsung dex-style desktop mode

> the updates and security features aren't as good [on lower end Motorola devices]

Having looked at some low-end Motorolas recently, this is accurate (albeit an understatement!)

Anyone want to place bets in whether this will be an unlockable bootloader, or some GrapheneOS only install path?

Sure would be nice to have phones that can be rooted, or OS replaced. I've been hopeful this would perhaps enable that, but I fret my excitement may be premature.

High end Motorola phones :((( where is my Graphene flip phone?

Now if only there will be a normal sized phone (the old "normal") from Moto with such OEM endorsed kind of support of Graphene then I might as well let go of my fruit no. 17. Yes, I will.

it'd be great if you could dual boot with grapheneos hidden

right now if you have it with you graphene just needlessly raises suspicions, its unjustified but thats what it is

If they only "should" be available in 2027, that sounds like late 2027.

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This is good news but not so much good news for us poors. I was waiting four this announcement in hopes of getting away from google totally but with the 2026 Moto Signature going for $1000 I am sure the 2027 will be more so I will probably get Pixel 10 instead.

Maybe this will lighten the price on the Pixel 10's though...

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